That was a great song I had not heard before. Thanks for sharing.
Heh. I hope that means Biden. I know people who refused to “vote against” and threw it away. Because Facebook basically.
I’m kind of new in the thread. What position does trumpism place you in with the R party?
It seems to me that trumpy conservatism can’t live here. He has lied too much. It’s against the prime directive here in seeking to end ignorance.
No one with an adult perspective can claim there are intellectual defenses for trumpism. So if trumpism = conservatism then it can’t fly.
If the board is full of anti trump conservatives then I would think it would play out differently than it has.
The effective definition of “conservative” here includes basically anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders, about 90% of the US population.
I’m just going to ask everyone if they self define as: R, trumpy, or conservative?
It — doesn’t? I vote for Republicans whenever I think one is the best choice, and I voted against Trump because I never figured that was the case with the guy. Not sure there’s anything more to it, really.
Piffle, others already did notice that I don’t see you as an antivaxxer, only that you are an incompetent when failing to notice how the right-wingers manipulated you on other issues.
Of course, the curious thing is how insulted you become on their behalf.
I don’t think the left is delusional. Not the smart left. They use the power of rhetoric to convince the stupid and naive to concede power to the ruthless under the guise of so-called equity and then perverts language to the point where it’s impossible to argue without being demonized. That’s why the 1984 reference is relevant. The ministry of truth has nothing on the current ministry of the media, the ministry of woke, and the ministry of biology that the current left has created.
Voting against him means you felt stronger about it than just him not being best choice. You felt the need to prevent him from being elected, like a sane American.
You have to be somewhere, you have to have an opinion on the antidemocracy growing on the right. To defend it or reject it, as a conservative.
Sure, it would be. But it’s also extremely unlikely to happen. Hannity is definitely in the “utterly disingenuous” camp. He does not engage in good faith. He’s not interested at all in the truth. He, like a lot of the influencers on the right, is a huckster.
Hannity is the type of person who would only change his rhetoric if it became advantageous for him to do so. The way to reach the people he has tricked is to expose them to the trickery, not to try and use logic and reason, when they were not logically or rationally convinced into their position.
We’re much better off focusing our efforts on those who are willing to listen than to fall for the trap being set for us. When dealing with disingenuous arguers, very often the only way to win is to avoid playing their game.
I can’t help but notice a certain word that you seem to have left out of your post. The quote you are replying to is discussing bigoted things people said. But at no point does the word bigotry or any synonym feature in your post.
Bigotry is not merely being offensive. No one treats saying “fuck you” the same as saying the n-word. There’s a reason why one is allowed on the SDMB, and the other is not. Pretending that they are the same class of thing is utter bullshit, and needs to fucking stop.
@ywtf attacked a trans woman for admitting she had once been suicidal.
This garbage pile of a human was so fucking full hatred for trasn people that she was willing to attack someone for admitting trauma—despite her own sister having a mental disorder. And not even fiucking in the Pit. And then said sister @monstro decided it was more important to defend her garbage sister than to adhere to the principles she had previously set up
And then we lost @Boudicca90 because the mods were slow as fuck to actually deal with any of it. ywtf should have gotten a suspension right then. But she didn’t. When they finally moderated, they just said @ywtf couldn’t post on trans topics. And that led to monstro leaving—but only after taking a last parting shot at the trans woman. So she trans woman left, too.
We no longer have any openly trans people posting on this message board because of how horribly we dealt with this. And then we have arguments like yours where you say that they shouldn’t post here. How dare they expect the basic minimum requirements that they not face bigoted people who want to harass them!
We do not have to be a fucking safe space to draw the line as such blatant bigotry. Such an argument is ridiculous on its face. If you want a place where that shit is allowed, then it is you who needs to move to places like 4chan or GETTR or other places where the Nazis hang out.
And now we have 2 fewer black females posting here. What a moronic take. On a message board adults ought to be able to deal with different opinions and different points of view.
Or course it wouldn’t make up for it. Someone arguing that your mere existence is a threat to them as a woman, and then mocking them for admitting to being suicidal before transition is not going to be made up for because some people pointed out that it was transphobic. In no world does harassment become acceptable because some other people told them that it is wrong.
If someone started going on about how white people were scary, or that men who got suicidal were faking it, would you be so quick to defend them? I very much doubt it.
This thing where you seem to lack the ability to empathize with people who are different from you needs to stop. It’s not a good thing. It should be easy to understand why trans people don’t feel they can post here.
And I do mean trans people. We lost all of the openly trans people on this board over how this was managed.
We have all these people who whine about pushing conservatives away. Yet not so much when it’s someone not like them. That needs to stop.
We have two fewer bigots posting here. Two fewer people who think it’s okay to harass people for being suicidal. The fact that you think the color of their skin is more important than the content of their character says a lot about you.
How big of you for calling these two women bigots without knowing them at all. Just a hint; on a MB where we are all anonymous just because someone makes a claim doesnt mean its true.
Preach away BigT. Keep up the binary thinking. The more voices we have on these boards the richer the boards are no matter how much you disagree with some viewpoints.
That’s utterly ridiculous. If supposedly grown people don’t have the emotional maturity to post or read on certain subjects they need to demonstrate some agency and refrain from those subjects. The rest of the world is under no obligation to be silenced.
And on the subject of slurs and profanity, obviously not all slurs are equal which is why gendered, ableist, classist, speciesist etc slurs are allowed in the pit.
Yeah, yeah. Keep beating that drum. Bigotry and harassing people somehow adds to this board. Bigotry is just another viewpoint! We need to tolerate everyone, even those who are intolerant.
Listen to yourself. You’re actually trying to argue that we can’t know that someone is a bigot even though they came on this board and said bigoted shit. I guess when someone says the n-word to you, you say “Well, I can’t know if they’re a bigot.” When they say black people are scary and we need to discriminate against them, you can’t be sure they’re racist, right? Quit being stupid.
@YWTF told a trans person they were faking when they were suicidal before transitioning. @monstro fucking defended her. I will repeat this: THEY BOTH ATTACKED SOMEONE FOR BEING SUICIDAL. Don’t fucking tell me that we somehow need to allow this shit for diversity’s sake!
And you act like we made them leave. Nothing of the sort happened. YWTF, after she kept on starting fights on this issue, got a topic ban. That’s it. If she wanted to, she could post on literally anything else, but she refused.
And @monstro came to ATMB, and kept on lying to defend her sister. And said she wouldn’t post here if her sister’s punishment wasn’t rescinded. Everyone fell over backwards for her, even saying that YWTF could get it removed with good behavior. But, she had a freak out and left.
Nothing that happened had anything at all to do with the fact they are black. It was because @ywtf got radicalized by TERFs, posting on nothing else, and @monstro cared more about her sister being upset than reality.
You cannot rewrite history, trying to make out what they did to be mere disagreement.
And, yes, I preach against those of you who engage in disingenuous bullshit. You tried to use the fact these posters are black as if that made their behavior okay. So I quoted the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King at you.
If it bothers you that you don’t live up to that very basic ideal—that we judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin—then that’s an issue for you to resolve.
There’s a reason why your response to my long post making multiple points was just a one-line assertion. You couldn’t actually deal with what I said. You had to make it about race.
There’s three in the ‘how do you identify as to gender’ thread, including AHunter3.
If even half the things you’re saying are true, why did no one in the JKR thread get so much as a warning? IIRC the mods said they got a ton of flags for it. I remember some offensive things being posted; I don’t remember anyone being mocked for attempting suicide or told to go get raped.
PS. You are asking for the board to be a safe space when you consider even otherwise neutral phrases like ‘biological male’ - in the context of sports! - to be bigoted. That’s not avoiding slurs, that’s banning people from acknowledging important, relevant facts.
I do not see, on a search, the word “trans” appear in that thread at all, and definitely not @AHunter3, who identified as enbie and genderqueer.:
Perhaps you’d care to name who did identify as trans in that thread, as I assume it must have been something along the lines of them saying “male, assigned female at birth” or similar?
ETA, nope, checked, the only person to talk about their birth assignation is genderfluid, which, again, is just NB, not trans.
ETA2: I should add, my emphases in quoting AHunter3.
Rehashing the same sjw arguments over and over.
It was a long discussion that became a repetitive morass, but there was also nuance and I recall both of them specifically saying that they would absolutely treat trans people with respect and dignity in their preferred gender identity. I also remember flared tempers and bitter arguments exchanged between many posters. I’d be surprised if either of them intentionally or directly mocked a specific poster.
I can be both empathetic and skeptical. What needs to stop is your tedious black & white moral sermonizing.