In the scene, a government official is interviewing a man he believes to be a Ukranian immigrant. The man he’s interviewing is, in reality, German citizen Jakob Ungerleider. Instead of admitting his mistake, however, the government official uses selective logic to argue that Jakob is, in fact, the immigrant he’s looking for. He then accuses the man of killing his girlfriend, despite Jakob insisting he has a wife, not a girlfriend, and she has different surname than the murder victim. He insists that his wife was alive just an hour ago, and offered the men who took him away tea. The government couldn’t care less.
I don’t think so. I’ve been here a while and while there are plenty of people that don’t like me I’ve been posting about my Trump dislike for 6 years so its pretty hard to paint me me as a trumper. Even asahi listed me as a moderate if a:
This makes about as much sense to me as telling everyone on the Left that if we’re going to say we’re leftists we have to, every time we do so, address Stalin.
Which, of course, is something that some on the current Right do. But Oredigger doesn’t appear to be one of them.
It’s true that the Roman Empire became Christian a few centuries before it fell, but other than the fact that it was Christian and briefly included the city of Rome, the Holy Roman Empire was a completely different country. It was founded four hundred years later, it had a completely different culture and political system, and its core lands were areas that the Roman Empire never ruled. It’s name was pure branding, nothing more.
Why are you so focused on this? You are incorrect if you believe that liberals are unaware of China’s actions, or that the left doesn’t care. As pointed out above, Biden has cracked down on China. If anyone is acting programmed, it’s you.
That’s my read. I believe they are saying that it’s not enough to say that you don’t like Trump or Trumpism, silence is assent. Republicans that don’t act to free the party from Trump are de facto acquiescing to the entire believe system that he represents.
If you think it’s the same thing then you are downplaying RW threats, which are current, insistent and unanswered.
The Stalin comparison is not relevant at all. We are not under threat from stalinists. We are under much greater threat from those yelling “Stalinist” than we are from any stalinists one could find if one were to go out and look.
Oh yeah you just did it yourself. You normalized RW terrorism by using “Stalinist” in some way.
An examined life of a conservative would require addressing the, forgive me, “Stalinist” aspects on display on the right.
See, to me this is a problem in that no one wants to investigate anything in common. But they all believe in the same voting suppression. Why does it make a difference to me how they self segregate?
OK everyone wants to deny any connection with trump but it’s just a laundering of moral positions and rationalizations.
That’s not what he’s saying. @drad_dog appears to be doing the equivalent of demanding that an ordinary Muslim explain why he hasn’t disavowed terrorism more strongly, and introspected about how his religion encourages it, and hey, why hasn’t he done more to stop the terrorists?
It highlights the left’s political incentives to demonize historically distant events such as statues of Teddy Roosevelt while downplaying contemporary slavery. Power and wealth are the motivating factors for the left not justice or intellectual consistency. That’s why the left can favor looting and arson during a pandemic while simultaneously promoting the idea that it is just not safe to go to a funeral of a loved one.
You’re misunderstanding my point entirely. [ETA: do you like DemonTree’s analogy in post 1418 any better?]
Do they?
The Trumpists do. Conservatives who deny the Trumpists don’t necessarily. Some of them prevented their Republican-run states from going along with attempts to overturn the election. If all conservatives believed in that same voting suppression, we’d be a whole hell of a lot worse off right now than we are.
Which, presuming that’s the meaning, is reasonable. What’s not reasonable is to demand doing so specifically by posting a treatise against Trumpism, detail by detail, on this particular message board, any time it’s demanded, in order to be allowed to say here that they’re a conservative but not a Trumpist without being attacked.
Oredigger77 said they voted for Clinton and Biden and will happily vote against any Trumper. (post 1366.) That’s action. That’s action that matters. Are they also voting in the primaries, writing to the local news sites, talking with their friends, standing out in the street with signs, donating where it matters if they can afford it? I don’t know and neither does drad_dog; that hasn’t been addressed. Nor IMO does each and every one of us need to address on this message board exactly what we’re doing and everything we’re doing to fight this latest round of potential destruction.
Power and wealth are generally considered to be the purview of the Right - tax cuts for the wealthy, trickle down economics and other bullshit that concentrates wealth in the hands of a few at the expense of the many
Liberals do not advocate looting and arson. Just because Fox News likes to show the same 3 clips every 15 minutes does not make this true.
Liberals would agree that large protests during a pandemic increase risk. Other people in this thread have shared details showing that the BLM protests did not create huge pandemic blooms, unlike, say motorcycle rallies or Trump campaign events.
I might ask that ordinary Muslim that, if he was on here posting about liberal culture. Here he would be either fighting ignorance or failing to. Like everyone else.
If I thought that ordinary Muslims and radicalized ones were tag teaming me for rhetorical purposes, on a forum web site, and playing footsie, I’d be linking them.
Even if they don’t coordinate, the ideas of the right wing are part of trumpism and can’t be dealt with without intellectual work, transparency and self disclosure.
The post numbers in the sidebar don’t always agree with the post numbers visible if one clicks on the time (date in older posts) appearing at the top right of the post itself.