Exactly!!! You proved my point. One of the two is getting shafted because he isn’t making as much money as the other one, who is doing the same job. Say there are two people. Both do the same job. Both worked hard to get where they are today. One works for a small company, the other works for a giant one. The one that works for the giant company doesn’t do any more work than the one who works for the small company. The one who works for the small company makes 30,000 a year and the one who works for the giant company makes 300,000 a year. They are doing the same job. Why is the one individual making 10 times the salary as the other person? And the job isn’t something like CEO. The better paid person didn’t do anything to make the company bigger. The job example I gave was in human resources. Same job description, same duties, same workload. But 10 times the salary. Why do they deserve to make 10 times the salary? Just luck? If I made that much money for doing an average job, I would feel totally guilty. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night.

“Morals,” like “quality,” is just a word. …
Morals are meaningless in a diverse society such as ours. That’s why we have laws. You can’t make a person respect blacks or women or the elderly…all of which are in line with MY morals. But you CAN make those who have a different set of morals behave as if they hold the same morals I do, or they will be punished.
I thought this statement was very interesting. I’d like to respecfully disagree, to a point.
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I think there is a “heirarchy” of Morals, if you will. There are basic human rights, the protection of which is moral. Moral absolutes. Moral people do not kill other people. They do not take other people’s things. They do not harm other people.
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Then there are morals that people generally agree on, but may not follow. Sex outside of marriage is considered immoral, but not “wrong.” Or at least it is justifiable, in many people’s minds. Lying and cheating is wrong, depending on the circumstance.
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Then there are the “nice” morals–visiting the sick, dontating to charity, sending Christmas cards, not driving over the speed limit, not kissing on the first date, etc. People who follow those are said to be “moral,” but those who do not are not necessarily “immoral.”
Now the rub in all this is justification. Most people like to think they are “moral” people, but everyone around them may or may not agree. Slavery is moral if you consider your slave “less than human.” You have justified the immoral act. The KKK can only live with itself if Blacks and Jews are “subhuman beasts or murderers.”
Premarital sex is moral if “we love each other” or “we’re engaged,” which justifies the act. Lying is okay, if the alternative is viewed as being “worse.” “Society has given me the shaft, so I’m only stealing back what I was due. Besides, these guys all have insurance.”
So laws are not necessarily enforcers of morality, but limiters of justification. “This person slept with my wife, so they are no longer worthy of the right to live…except for this pesky law. Darn!” :smack:
That doesn’t help with anyone’s election, but it’s how I see morality.

… Sorry, but we’re going to have to call you on this. This is a perfect example of how desructie moral relativism can be. Slavery always was and always will be immoral. Anyone who thinks otherwise is evil and wrong, period. …
while i don’t pretend to understand what makes it ok for those who practise it, slavery had been a big part of reality for centuries. we don’t have centuries of Evil people walking on earth. uneducated, misguided, uninformed, deluded or plain old selfish perhaps, but not Evil. You, could have been born a noble in times where nubile slave handmaidens* were the norm. think you have what it takes to risk life and position to buck the trend for an unpopular ideal?

Exactly!!! You proved my point. …
nope, that’s economics. you might as well say that all those with big inheritances should give it up and start afresh.

nope, that’s economics. you might as well say that all those with big inheritances should give it up and start afresh.
Nope. That’s not economics, its POLITICS. Someone that works for a larger company “deserves more money.” Economics is getting what you pay for. The bigger company is paying too much. The smaller company pays less for someone equally capable doing the exact same job. Nothing to do with economics. It violates straight economics in fact. Our economic structure is so immersed with politics that the line about what is a right and proper salary is so vague many people think they deserve to get paid more. Then they assume that because they get paid more they MUST be better people. That’s immoral. I couldn’t live with myself if I got paid 500,000 a year for hiring and firing people, especially knowing that 100 or more starved people could now be alive, if only I gave up the money I could have easily given up. Who on EARTH needs to make more than 100,000 a year?? I’m not advocating communism or anything, but dang. How do some people live with themselves? Oh, I forgot. They are better than everybody else. They deserve to live in luxury while millions die.
where do you draw the line? you don’t have to earn 500k a year to live in luxury ‘while millions die’.