I feel for the Afghanie people. They don’t want the Taliban who rule with an iron fist and keep them under strong religious backwards rule. They don’t want Al Qeada who promises nothing but war and confiscation of their wealth to wage it. Then behind door number 3 in Karzai ,an American drug puppet ,who has installed a drug corporate and corrupt rule. They must be feeling hopeless and powerless.
McChrystal said there were 100 or less Al Qeada in Afghanistan. The military changes the mission midstream and expect the American public to buy it.
President Obama's Secret: Only 100 al Qaeda Now in Afghanistan - ABC News Is 200,000 troops and contractors enough ?
Thanks for the cite, gonzo. And I do agree with you about the Afghani people.
I can’t help but wonder if we are trying to hold the Afghani side of the border with Pakistan while the Pakistani military slowly tries to root them out from the other side so AQ has nowhere to flee to.
At the start of all this, I remember telling a friend that it would take a generation to change the way of life in Afghanistan. If you consider a generation to be typically 25 years, then we’re not even half way there yet. But I still think it’s worth it, and in a previous thread I linked to a survey that stated that the vast majority of Afghans think it is worth it too.
This is a just war.
There are about65 countries with dictatorships or rulers who we don’t like. So much to do. so little time. Perhaps we should go alphabetically.
They are based, supported and fed in Pakistan. Pakistan pretends to be helping us so we can drop tax payer money on them. They now have an Afghanie Al Qeada and a Paki Al Qeada. No end in sight. The longer we stay, the more thoroughly fucked the American taxpayer is.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38267520 Apparently our soldiers are not enjoying this endless war.
99.5% of our soldiers don’t enjoy any war.
Now that’s not true. I saw South Pacific. Those guys were singing and dancing.
The WACS and nurses were pretty juicy too.
Hilarious. Maybe they were so happy because they were fighting an eminently justifiable war against a recognizable, uniformed enemy(ies)?
Larger nations invading small nations and attempting to inflict their will uopn them never works out and usually blows back up in the faces of the larger nation, even if that larger nation claims to be “benevolent”.
Afghanistan in the 1960’s was a peaceful country. Many tourists and backpackers went through the country enjoying the scenery, the towering mountains and the hashish. Most people in the United States never heard of Afghanistan.
Then the Soviet Union invaded, backing up a pro-Communist ball breaker government. A rebel alliance formed to fight the Commies. Where did these rebels get their weapons from?
The United States.
The USSR had enough of Afghanistan and leaves. These rebels still have all this top notch American hardware. So they decide to start their own government and stock it full of right wing Islamic assholes, who were educated in this militant Islam in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, iran and other places.
A Saudi fuck named Osama Bin Laden decides to hole up in Afghanistan, has followers and then does terrorism that leads up to 9/11. After 9/11, the USA invades Afghainistan, has been there forever and will not leave.
The longer the USA stays there, the harder it will be to leave eventually. If and when the USA leaves (after Israel and their agents have milked the cow dry.) the goofball Taliban will take over again and start this fucked up process all over again.
In short:
Afghanistan peaceful country pre-1970.
USSR inflicts their will upon their government and eventually invades this nation (that wasn’t a threat to anybody.)
USA basically gives away high tech weaponry to a large group of militant Islamics from the stone age.
Cavemen beat Russians, Russians go home. Thanks to American taxpayer buying caveman weapons, they start an insane, mysogynistic Taliban government supported by Pakistan and more important SAUDI ARABIA, where a great deal of where America gets their oil from (and still does.)
The crazy Taliban is mad partly because of American intrusions on their lands and support of the state of Isreal, who were in turn, a bunch of wanderers, terrorists and thieves from Europe who stole the land and kicked out the people who have lived there for thousands of years, while being supported by the United States.
Afghanistan could be again a great country. There is wealth there. There would be a great market for tourism of all kinds. It could be a nice, peaceful nation of mountain people. But religion, theocracy and large nations have made Afghanistan what it is today.
Ok, here’s what we do. And DON’T fuck anybody who disagrees … that would be TERRIBLE.
its the people who live in the south of Afghanistan and Pakistan along the border between the two nations who are causing the trouble in both nations. They terrorize their northern neighbors. They harbor Al Qeada. So here’s what we do. We give them their own country, carve it out of Pakistan and Afghanistan and tell them, 'This land is yours, but if your let your people do any terrorism shit on us or the US or our allies, we will take it back from you, and if that means leaving your land a glowing chunk of radioactive slag, so be it. We’ll do it."
No border crossing, no evasion. Just a recognition of reality … the southern regions are hardly governed now. Force self government on them and destroy them if they can’t manage it without terrorism.
What Al Qeada? Our military has said they practically don’t exist in Afghanistan or the dreaded Paki border areas. The Paki government is on their side anyway. They are glad to take our tax dollars for pretending to be fighting them though. We are again supporting repressive, military, corrupt governments. No good ever comes from that.
Agreed.
For the only real alternative, stop in at http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12696621#post12696621
That’s not true. According to the OP, we’re getting cheap government subsidized heroin. Which I think is great. Many heroin addicts have limited incomes and I’m glad to see the government doing something for them.
Gates Names to Central Command General Who Called Shooting Enemies 'Fun' | Fox News I wish that were true.
That’s because there ain’t nothing like a dame.