You be bad and funny. I’ll get back, real soon.
Meanwhile, you’ll find that :smack: yoga will clear your mind of mental baggage and allow you (you all, as my Mom used to say) feel comfortable joining a gentle discussion of the obvious.
Yeah, but man…it’s so much more fun to carry swords and guns and yell at people for 112 hours a week while they grow me food and their daughters bear me children.
Then engage in some yoga, then discuss with us what’s wrong with nuclear power and what’s going to make all existing materials and infrastructure vanish. Also tell us how in the 19th century farmers only worked 20 hours a week with flexible hours.
By having the slaves do all the work?
Hemp can be grown at one tenth the cost of cotton, and can make ropes with double the tensile strength. This economic advantage directly translates into fewer working hours for the same number of dollars earned.
Hell, I just want to know where all the coal is going to go. Nuclear…that seems WAY to advanced for our brave new world (or whatever), but what’s going to happen to all the coal? Unless of course steam isn’t going to work anymore (those changing laws of physics and all).
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Peak oil has been discussed before, and one point I made was that a large % of our fuel is used inefficiently. There is nothing to stop people from carpooling to work in an economy car instead of everyone driving a car that gets 20mpg. There is nothing to stop a fleet of buses to dramatically improve the quality of short and long distance public transit. Personal commuting (for work and pleasure) takes up about 50% of all our petroleum, and it can be done far far more efficiently if we really need to. Transit of goods via barges, rail & semis can be prioritized so that food and medicine is more important to transport than plasma TVs and mattresses. Using rail and barges would increase fuel economy, but I assume make things less efficient and take more time to transport items.
Coal can be used instead of petroleum for many purposes, and coal will not run out anytime soon.
Plus peak oil isn’t a dramatic drop of production. I think production drops 1-3% a year after peak (peak may have been 2008, I’m not sure). So people have time to implement new energies.
Agriculture barely takes up 2% of all our oil, and a large % of that is used inefficiently to grow beef. If people are forced to switch to a more vegan diet you can still grow enough food to feed everyone for about 1% of all our oil. I believe we use more oil for recreational vehicles (ATVs, boats, etc) than we use for agriculture.
Basically, peak oil will affect our lifestyle but IMO less than WW2 did. And civilization survived WW2.
There are lots of energy inefficiencies that can be trimmed from the western lifestyle and still have people live a fairly healthy, decent life.
It only takes about $20/wk to get basic nutrition. Even if you are making $7.25/hr, you only need 3.5 hours of work a week after taxes to afford basic food (rice, beans, peanut butter, butter, bread, spaghetti, etc)
You can probably do it for $10/wk if you are strapped. Many basic food staples (if you enjoy a diet high in sugar, bread and peanut butter) have 2000 calories per dollar, so that is 20,000 calories a week, or about 3,000 a day.
Why do you say this?
Yeah, but don’t you still need to have swords for that to work?
I don’t think you grasp the picture that’s being painted here - isolated communities, huddled against the cold cruel world, pitchforks out for defense. It’s not about dollars, and it’s not about economies of scale where you can divide hours by dollars. It’s about crowing a crop for your little community. With only cattle to pull the plow. Which means the difference in tensile strength of cotton and hemp isn’t in hours worked; it’s in the strength of the resultant ropes.
And besides that, forget rope - what about the guys growing the food? You can’t eat hemp, can you? Brownies notwithstanding.
What, my questions were not apolitical enough for you? Do you have any comments on bioplastics and alternative energy technologies, or do you just not have time to read a little about them?
You reported your own post and didn’t bother to clue us in about you want. I’m tempted to warn you and let you decide the reason. Instead, I’ll just ask you to explain the report. Do you want us to order people not to post in this thread unless they sit through the video? Because we can’t and won’t do that.
will repost.
I am currently reading *Pillars of the Earth *(recommended by the SDMB, btw), and so the world of 1000 years ago has been in my mind. Let’s face it, the world as they knew it came to an end. It’s just the world that replaced it is much, much better.
I reached early manhood thru the '50s. Wars, cold and hot, were govt sanctioned. In fourth grade I remember diving under my desk in a drill designed to impress upon me the extent of Soviet Perfidies.
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Working out for you?
Without oil, it won’t. Those of us left will be working together.
Are you under the impression that there were no warlords and slaveowners prior to the popularization of the internal combustion engine? History begs to differ. You would be safer arguing that oil is required to evade slavery and dictatorship, since at least then you wouldn’t be flying bravely in the face of 99.99% of human history.
Suffice to say, after combustion stops functioning (bringing the coal plants to a standstill) along with all other energy releasing chemical and nuclear reactions (except the ones inside of living organic bodies, which continue to function through the power of faith and trust and pixie dust) leading to the reversion to small agrarian societies, it will be a matter of weeks before somebody with a bigger spear than you rolls in and starts robbing your or enslaving you or, if you’re lucky, merely extorting you. Such is the lesson of history.
I understand. All may post.
OTOH, I cannot seriously address any contrary post without some reference to the video.
With that in mind, play ball.
Rubbish. You are capable of writing, which means you’re capable of presenting your counter-arguments, if they exist. If you refuse the mods might as well close the thread, since no one else is going to argue on your behalf.
If you want to play ball, you have to know the rules. And the rules are, there is precisely one person in the thread that can be expected to have watched that video: you. And the rules are that as the poster of it it is your job to summarize and extract the relevent bits in answer to any particular argument.
The presumption will always be that the reason you’re not proving these quotes and summarized arguements is that they don’t exist - that the video fails to address them. In which case we clearly haven’t missed anything by not watching it, and it never supported your point anyway.
So? And when Federal Reserve Notes join Confederate Dollars in history’s dust bin?