Let's Get Some Hookers!

This is sort of an “Mens Rights” issue! A woman can get laid any time she wants! (Admittedly, the man may not be of the highest quality, but if a woman wants to get poked, she can.) For a man to be able to do this, he’d have to be Bill Gates! Legalizing prostitution isn’t about liberating women from oppression and slavery, its about liberating men from the tyranny of female oppression! :wink:

Seriously, though, think about it. A woman can have sex anytime she wants it. The man willing to provide it might be of a dubious nature, and he may not be able to perform to her level of satisfaction, but she can get it. Most men can’t.

Swingers clubs limit the number of unattached men who can get in, but place no restriction on the number of unattached women they let in. Why? Because the number of women willing to sleep with a man with no interest in some form of commitment is lower than the number of men willing to sleep with a woman without the possibility of commitment.

Truly, in a civilized society, women willing to be prostitutes would be raised up on a pedestal and showered with praise!

If a guy would rather hire whores than find a woman to marry, he’s probably only interested in sex, and few women would marry that kind of man anyway.

TuckerFan: Tell it to the 300 lb, cratered complexion, crooked-toothed chick. Yes, in general it is much easier for women to get some than men. But it’s by no means absolute.

But yes, I agree that most of us guys do have an ulterior motive for wanting prostitution legalized. As the stereotypically more aggressive sex, we want it all the time. I won’t deny it; it’s true. However, I’m not sure this is a valid reason to keep prostitution illegal. This objection seems to boils down to “I don’t like it when men are promiscuous.” Well, I don’t like it when the Klan holds a rally, either. But I think they have a right to free speech, so I’m not going to ban them. Picket their rally, maybe. Call them stupid, racist assholes, definitely. But I’m not going to take away their freedom just because they’re doing something I don’t approve of. So long as it’s not hurting anyone else, they have a right.
I also wanted to mention in passing COYOTE and PONY, two organizations founded by prostitutes for prostitutes, with the stated goal of legalizing their own jobs:
http://www.walnet.org/csis/groups/coyote.html

If the prostitues themselves independently and uncoercedly asking for their work to be legalized doesn’t sway you even a little bit, than I’d say you have some prejudices on this issue that you’re not being honest with yourself about.
As for legalizing brothels not eliminating streetwalkers, of course that’s true. However, as a person who might indulge in a brothel once in a while, but could never bring himself to solicit a streetwalker, I have to say based on my own personal feelings I think it would help a LOT. I honestly really don’t like scummy, degrading sex. I don’t need love in the equation, but I’d like to believe that at least this isn’t unpleasant for the other person. Even if it is work for them. And I don’t see work and pleasure being as being mutually exclusive either. I work as a computer programmer, principally because I enjoy writing code and making programs work. I may not give two shits about the programs I’m working on, (often don’t, actually) but I still derive enjoyment and satisfaction from the act of designing them and writing the code. Maybe that makes me one in a million. Fine, I still say you shouldn’t have the right to ban me from working on software just because you don’t understand how I could possibly enjoy writing code.
Jarbaby: Damn, girl! I can’t believe I’m hearing a female make this argument, and so eloquently, intelligently, and earnestly at that! Pity you have an SO already; I’d toss my hat in the ring. (Well, maybe not. That whole BDSM thing makes me unhappy as well…)
-Ben

This is a subject that I have given much thought to. Please bear with me as I have quite a bit to say.

I am very interested in the concepts of sexual and economic choices in regards to prostitution. Why is it that women generally do not choose to go to male prostitutes? Why do we believe that women would never choose prostitution?

What are women allowed to pay for? What are women allowed to sell? Our society uses morality to keep a tight control on women’s economic and sexual freedom. This is more apparent in our views of and the realities of prostitution.

It is still common for sex work to be equated with slavery. The idea that women would choose sex work is unthinkable. In her chapter on “white slavery”, Wendy Chapkis states, “One of the justifications for insisting that prostitution, unlike marriage, is necessarily abusive is the belief that no one could ever really choose to participate in such an activity ." Some people admit that actual physical coercion is not always a factor in prostitution. Undeterred, these souls say that women are economically forced in to such “degrading” work. Economics does play a major role in prostitution, just as it does in many lines of work. Lack of economic choices is not a new phenomenon, nor is it one limited to prostitution. Women are also economically forced to work in fast food, manual labor, domestic help and other occupations. There isn’t much outcry about how degrading those occupations are. The bigger question is: Why do we see prostitution as the worst possible option?

Prostitutes were not always pariahs. Some ancient belief systems included sacred prostitutes, who were held in high esteem. ).” As society changed, so did the acceptable roles for women. In recent years, women have gained economic and occupational power, which means a lot in a capitalist economic system where “money talks” and we “vote with our dollars”. Yet even today the “women’s work” that holds the most prestige are the jobs that pay the least. Being a mother (which involves hours of unpaid labor) is “the most important job in the world”. Teachers are held in high esteem, but their salaries show little for it. Again and again, society rewards traditional female occupation with moral approval but not financial gains. Conversely, sex work, which is seen as the lowest one can go morally, is highly profitable. Our strong cultural taboo against prostitution is very effective at removing the temptation to do such economically empowering work.

Protection of (read ownership of) “white womanhood” (or at least white reproductive abilities) plays a large role. Chapkis says that fears of sexual slavery play in to our racial fears. “White slavery” scares began around the same time as the emancipation of slaves and increased immigration. Chapkis attributes the racial connection mostly to scapegoating. Other theorists believe that women are divided into “good/evil” bianaries based on their abilities to produce white children.In other words, we judge prostitutes as immoral (as we do lesbians) because their activities do not usually lead to white offspring. Economics are not totally out of the picture, though, because these all-important white children represent the ruling class of the next generation. Giving birth to and raising this next generation serves a two-fold purpose; it ensures the future of the economic status quo, and it prevents white women, arguably the closest threat to that status quo, good and busy so that they do not seek that economic power for themselves.

Women who are not so cherished by (nor threatening to) society, such as women who are not white and lower class white women, fall into the spaces that are forbidden to “good white women”. They are already “beyond the pale” in society’s eyes, so they are less likely to meet the barriers that middle class white women deal with when going in to sex work. We incredulously ask the middle class white sex worker “What could you possibly be doing here?” We simply shake our heads and nod at the black sex worker, automatically assuming an economic necessity. We allow them to make the choices that we do not allow middle class white women, but we disguise it by saying it is not really a choice. We take away the power wielded in sex work by saying that it is not power: it is desperation.

Just as prostitution taboos are used to strip women of economic power, they are used to strip women of sexual power as well. Women’s sexuality has long been seen as owned by males. For a woman to have the gall to charge for something that society sees as belonging to men is outrageous. They implore, “How dare you sell something that is not yours?” The ways that they use their sexuality is not their choice. In most of the United States, this is actually encoded into law, and enforced by a patriarchal police system that punishes women for choosing prostitution, yet sees their male customers as innocent bystanders. There is actually an organization of uniformed (mostly) men, who use handcuffs and jails to force women not to do consensual sex acts if there is money involved. That is sexual disempowerment if I have ever seen it! Instead of keeping women out sexually disempowering situations, negative views of prostitution actually explicitly enforces male control of female sexuality.

This is best illustrated by reversing the situation. Male prostitutes marketed towards straight women don't exist There is no cultural concept of women to announcing their sexual desires and acting on them. We normalize that by telling ourselves, “women don’t enjoy the physicality of sex, anyway”. We pretend like women don’t have physical desires, and make negative moral judgments about the women that display them. One of the ways that we deny women sexual choice is by denying the actual forces that would cause choices to be made. Our belief that “men always want sex and women sometimes grudgingly give it” hurts straight women by taking away their choice in men. I was told many times that male prostitution services would fail because women could “always go to a bar and pick up any guy”. We expect horny women to go home with random bozos (who probably aren’t interested in giving women the sexual pleasure they want) instead of seeking out ways to fulfill those desires on their own. No one would use our service because women aren’t allowed to make those kinds of choices. They are not allowed to choose to forgo the bar full of men looking to get laid for a man who is interested in what the women themselves want (even if it is a commercial interest in pleasing the customer, at least the customer gets pleased). They are not allowed to wield their dollar as a tool of sexual satisfaction.

Race, class and sexuality all play a role in what women are allowed and not allowed by society to do with their money and their sexuality. Prostitution stands at the intersection of sex and money. Our culture’s current views on prostitution keep women from fully harnessing their economic and sexual power. We keep women from choosing to gain or use economic power in sexual ways. Perhaps one day there will be a time when women can make real choices. I envision a day when a female prostitute can hold her head up and own the choice she made. I envision a day when both men and woman will proudly walk up to my ideological heirs and trade money for sexual satisfaction freely. I look forward even more to the day that sexuality and economics divorce completely, and sex stops being a part of the economic power structure.

NOTE: Having spent bloody ages typing all the below, I must inform you (just so you’re not waiting on tenterhooks) that I have a wedding to go to and won’t be able to get back to develop my arguments until at least tomorrow. So no holding your breath! I’m sure you’ll live.
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Sua - my posts above aren’t an argument against prostitution. I just first wanted to establish that the downside of prositution won’t simply vanish through legalisation. I’m tilting at one of the arguments in favour of legalisation before setting out my case against it.

But since we seem to have come to some kind of accord, I’ll now start to lay out the case against prostitution.

My biggest worry is that of societal perception and abstracted and consequential harm. In order to justify keeping prostitution illegal, I need to establish that it is undesirable and harmful enough to society for us to declare it out of bounds. Then it becomes a philosophical issue - if we, as a society, declare that it is Not Acceptable then the logical consequence is to declare it as Not Allowed. This is incidentally the crucial point where the arguments against drugs and prostitution split - the arguments against drugs always centre around it being Not Desirable for people to do drugs, since the abstracted and consequential harm of drugtaking and the perceptions it creates in our society are not in the same league as that prostitution creates.

If prostitution is indeed an unacceptable activity then the arguments saying “legalise it because it will always be here” becomes analogous to saying “legalise theft because it will always be here” or “legalise murder because it will always be here”. Unacceptable means we do not tolerate it.

Of course I could simply argue here that a sufficient proportion of the population do already see prostitution as totally unacceptable. Invoking the above reasoning would then be sufficient to justify keeping it illegal. But the old “most people agree” gambit is a little tedious and doesn’t establish why I think that it is unacceptable.

So I’m clarifying my objectives now - I’m seeking to show that prostitution creates various unacceptable harms to society.[list=A][li]Firstly I claim that sex work is not as other work and that it is not sufficient to brush attitudes to sex under the carpet by just saying “oh you’re all so puritanical”.[/li]
[li]I claim that prostitution leads to three undesirable societal effects:[/li][list=1][li]An increased tendency for men in particular to see women as nothing more than a potential recepticle rather than a human being.[/li][li]An increased tendency to believe that one’s own needs should ride roughshod over that of other people’s.[/li]
[li]An increased atmosphere of underlying threat of violence towards women.[/list=1][/li][li]I claim that there is a negative social cost in areas where sex work is undertaken[/list=A]Do you agree the parameters of the above debate? In particular, do you agree that if I can establish the above then there is a valid case against the legalisation of prostitution?[/li]
Before I get started, I’d just like to reflect on some of the attitudes we’ve already seen displayed in this thread - namely “a man should be able to go out and get a woman whenever he wants” and “if a partner doesn’t satisfy, you should be able to go out and pay for a service that does”. I’m sure you can find other such sentiments.

pan

::taking time out from busy wedding preparations because he forgot something important::

extra parameter:[ul]D – I claim that working in prostitution has a negative impact on those working in it. Further, I submit that the work is of a kind that actually encourages unacceptable practices[/ul]wring is always so good at defending this point that I never need to do anything, which is why I forgot it. I shouldn’t have done so - it is a vital argument against prostitution.

::off to polish shoes::

pan

After all, ugly guys need sex too.

Seriously, choosing between a legal and controlled situation where there are rules,(even if they are occasionally broken!!) and an illegal and out of control situation where there are no rules, I guess the choice is pretty obvious.

b.

kabbes, I strongly disagree with you on all counts.

>> Firstly I claim that sex work is not as other work and that it is not sufficient to brush attitudes to sex under the carpet by just saying “oh you’re all so puritanical”.

My opinion is that puritanism is the underlying factor. Many countries which do have legalised prostitution and do not seem to have a major problem with it. That is my definition of puritanism: believing sex is different.
>>An increased tendency for men in particular to see women as nothing more than a potential recepticle rather than a human being.

This argument is totally untenable and could be used to justify censorship or anything else. I find this argument 100% unacceptable. I do not believe this for a moment and you could say it about any other job, even more so about jobs where there is less human contact. If I have a person come clean my toilet while I am away at work, isn’t this much more a case of seeing a person as something useful rather than as a human being? Don’t you know many people who complain their boss treats them like an object and not like human beings? I would say prostitution is no worse in this respect than many other jobs and maybe better than quite a few.
>> An increased tendency to believe that one’s own needs should ride roughshod over that of other people’s.

I do not get this. I guess if I pay you to mow my lawn or to sing “Strangers in the night” for me you could say the same thing.
>> An increased atmosphere of underlying threat of violence towards women.

I disagree and I dispute this. Where prostitution is illegal prostitutes are more defenseless. Where it is legal they have more protection and avenues of recourse.
>> I claim that there is a negative social cost in areas where sex work is undertaken

I am not sure what you mean but prostitution is there anyway and the social cost is much greater when it is illegal.
I am of the opinion that it is not the government’s job to dictate morality and that it should not restrict any freedoms unless there is a clear and compelling social interest which I believe clearly there is not in this case. If Americans are allowed the freedom to be armed to the teeth, surely they should be allowed the option of paying for sex.

Who dahell you think will be running the union? PIMPS of course. :smiley:

Legalize it. Yes, there are women who are being forced into it. This is going to happen no matter what. It will make men view women as nothing more than sex objects? Ummm, hate to tell ya’ll this, but many guys already do, the same way that there are women out there who look at men the same way. My wife once wanted to take me to the Chicken Ranch just for the experience of it, but when we found out that women weren’t allowed entry, it took the fun out of it so we left. That was the closest I’ve ever gotten to visiting a prostitute. (I did buy a menu though, which is really cool). I remember an interview I read long ago with the girls and management of the Chicken Ranch and they are all there because they enjoy it. The girls hired to work there, are hired for their attitude.

I knew several freelance hookers socially when I lived in Anaheim, as they lived in my apartment complex. I became good friends with all of them. They were all “normal” women, with decent jobs, who decided to hook on the side because they were single, not ready for any relationship, but enjoyed sex. It was a triple benefit for them as they could pick up men that they wanted to have sex with, make some decent money on the side, and the cash transaction separated any romantic involvement. If a woman wants to sell sex, more power to her.

Back in the old west, prostitutes were actually highly respected in their communities, even among other women. But like so many things in this country, it only takes one person to start crying about “morality”, before other people start getting on the band wagon because if they don’t, then they might be viewed as less than socially perfect. If your neighbor is bringing home a different guy each night, she’s a slut but still generally accepted. Let someone find out that she charges these guys 20 bucks though, and she is an outcast who will taint children and scatter your garbage when you aren’t looking.

Who does prostitution hurt though, being illegal, besides the woman herself if caught? Are your children in danger? Is your property value diminished by having a prostitute living next door? (I’m not talking about red light districts). If, 20 miles outside of your town is a farmhouse brothel, how exactly does this affect anybody? Back to the slut neighbor… there are people coming and going a lot. I have neighbors who have a lot of visitors at all hours. It’s no big deal, however, if word got out that they were visiting for paid sex, suddenly these visitors will transform into dregs of society that are endandering the other neighbors, and the torches and pitchforks will follow.

I see prostitution as bottled water. If people want to charge for/buy something they can legally give/get, then it’s a matter of choice. I’ve never done business with a hooker, not for any moral reason, but simply because the ones I knew, I wasn’t attracted to enough to want to sleep with them, or the ones I was attracted to simply charge too much and I’m just not cute enough to rate a discount. If my cute neighbor seduced me, I’d be there. If she mentioned that her “$50 phone bill needed to be paid”, and I had the extra cash, I’d certainly think about it. (I’d only have to think about it simply because I’m cheap).

Don’t like hookers? Don’t be one and don’t visit one. There’s no pressure either way. But if it’s legal to have sex for free, what’s the problem with charging for it? If sex were illegal, then I could understand prostitution being illegal.

My apologies if this is jumpy or unclear, but I haven’t had my coffee yet, but am taking advantage of some morning quiet time :slight_smile:

Since you won’t be volunteering your Draft Notice will be in the mail

Chill, Sweets :mad: or else send me an unabridged list of the topics that can’t be made fun of in your opinion.

I disagree with your this point right out the gate. Later in this post you equate prostitution with theft and murder - completely laughable. I find lots of things Not Acceptable that I wouldn’t necessarily outlaw. I just shun those who engage. But moving on…

No it isn’t. This is where you would like to see it split, but you have nothing other than your own opinion to back it up.

Really? I disagree completely. I’d much rather see people engaging in prostitution than sitting around sucking on crack pipes and sticking needles in their arms.

But it isn’t. It may be undesirable to some people and unacceptable to others, and perfectly alright to still others.

I disagree with this idea as well. I don’t care who finds my actions “unacceptable”, as long as my actions aren’t infringing on your rights, then you should have no say in how I live my life, including whether I fuck a man I just met for the fun of it or I Ifuck a man I’ve known for 10 yuears every Wednesday for $100. It is * none of your business whether money changes hands after I have sex and I continue to be amazed that you imagine for a moment that it could ever be. * Do you feel it is yours or society’s right or duty to tell me whether I can engage in oral sex? Anal sex? Missionary position? Can I have some popcorn afterwards, or should I go right to sleep? Why is ok for a man to spend $100 on dinner and $50 on flowers and $30 on a movie, but to just give me the cash instead is a problem? What about if he gives me jewelry after every sexual encounter, are you going to step in and regulate that, too? What if he wants to pay my rent? Don’t you see how ridiculous you’re being?

Indeed

And I claim you are wrong. Shall we take this to IMHO now?

I believe you and I have been here before. You have never proven this to be true. Men are not morons by virtue of having penises. They do not see that prostitution exists and conclude that all women are sperm containers, and it is incredibly disrespectful of you to assert that they do.

I fail to see the association here. Let’s say it is my need to lay my hands on $100. It’s Milo’s need to get laid. He’s willing to give me $100, I’m willing to screw him to get it. Looks to me like everybody’s needs are being nicely met.

Well, since the majority of violence towards women comes from their loving husbands and boyfriends, I’m not going to worry too much about this.

nope. For all the reasons I stated many times before and many people have stated here. There is a negative cost to society in keeping tobacco, alcohol and gambling legal. But making them illegal would be worse. Drugs should be legal. Prostitution, which I think is by far the LEAST damaging of all of these activities, should absolutely be legal.

Yeah, and what exactly is your point?

Stoid

sigh. here we go again. You trot out the folks from COYOTE, I’ll trot out folks like this and this and in the end, what have we discovered? Some people have good memories, others have bad. Again, assume an economic model and you’ll get a good idea of what relatively is the likely scenario - the COYOTE folks were those making a thousand a night. The others were the ones making $20 for a blow job in an alley. Which do you think is more likely to be the median? how many beater cars are on the road vs. limos’?

For those who see it as a job, no more distasteful than the summer job at a factory or whatever, again, what other job contains the possability of rape a job related risk? At how many jobs does the employer bug the room specifically to protect the employee against violence from the customer, given that physical contact between the customer and employee is required? At any rate.

and here we have links to variety of studies etc. re: trafficing and prostitution. You seem to agree that the trafficing is a bad thing, acknowledge that legalization won’t cure it, but don’t see that as an argument against legalization? If the ‘bad guys’ need to kidnap, con, drug or otherwise force some one into doing something, how can you think that routinely others would openly opt for that choice?

put it in brothels and contain it. Yep, of course, you did remember this which notes that

indicating to me that rather than reducing the possability of folks ending up coerced into the trade, you’d increase the liklihood.

I know Stoid objects to this study where several hundred prostitutes were interviewed world wide, showing that the vast majority strongly desired to leave the business, since it offers evidence contrary to her step mom’s experience, and suggests that step mom is the rare exception. Folks who wish to have prositution legalized need to believe that step mom is the norm. This study suggests that she’s not.

And, there are other victimstoo, the relatives of the prostitutes, the people who live near areas of prostitution etc.

the assertion that prostitution’s always been around and therefore should be legalized of course, has been dealt with. I’d suggest that what is really happening is that your claim is that having sexual contact with another human being is a requirement for some people, therefore they should be allowed to purchase it. To do so, objectifies the person providing the release. Objectification of other humans is not a something I would support.

Sexual release is a human function. physical contact with another person can improve that, but is not a requirement Bottom line. By making it legal, you’re effectively making the ‘state’ the pimp. and since the “state” effectively is ‘the people’, I’ll politely decline to be a pimp, thanks for asking.

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:eek: :wink: :smiley:

wring -
I think what happened in Victoria, Australia would be less likely to happen if the practice were legal everywhere. Competition is still extremely limited in that scenario.

And I think any nationwide, legal prostitution is going to need a bit more governmental regulation than simply biweekly AIDS tests and tax collection. A relatively high level of regulation and inspection would tend, IMO, to lessen the possibilities for abusive, controlling pimps.

neat trick. Advocate for an upheaval of our society, claim that it’ll have nearly all positive benefits, show no evidence that it will, when evidence is introduced that demonstrates that where such changes have occured, that more problems occur and the ‘solutions’ don’t occur, suggest that’s only 'cause it’s not universal. well. Forgive me, please, but after submitting 6 links, researching for the better part of a couple of hours, I’ll ask for a bit more of a response than “I think”. And while this was a response to Milo s posting, that pretty much goes for all.

So the summary is we need to protect women from their own bad judgment? You can’t get more paternalistic than this. You say you would rather work as a prostitute than in a sweatshop? Sorry, that’s a bad idea and so you prove you are not capacitated to make good decisions. Thank the State which is here to protect you and send you back to the sweatshop (or, in reality, just making you a criminal if you decide to do it anyway).

You say most prostitutes say they would like to leave that job? Okaaaaay… how many people earning minimum wage flipping burgers or working at below minimum wage in sweatshops say they would like to leave those jobs? Heck, who wouldn’t like to leave their job!

People make bad job decisions all the time, that does not mean the state should prohibit them from making their own choices. Prostitution is legal (AFAIK) in many European countries. Is there any proof that this is causing significant social problems? decadence to the point where they all go for sex and forget to go to work? Are italians all degenerates for this? I get the opposite impression: that they are much more comfortable with sex and nudity than Americans.

brief, since I’m on my way to a funeral. sailor one of my very first points is that the idea that most sex workers choose that profession vs. say flipping burgers, is flawed beyond redemption. read the links provided (and you haven’t had time to do so, judging from your posting time) to see the problems found in places where it’s legalized.

and the issue of ‘gee, people don’t like flipping burgers either’ has been dealt with over and over again. what other occupation (as I noted above) has rape as a routine occupational hazard, where physical contact w/customers is necessary but in order to protect the worker from the client survelience needs to be used, since the customer wants/needs privacy and is afforded that option.

This will take forever and a day if people keep using the same argument w/o substance, and request information already given.

The answer, wring is quite simple. Any job where a person has to work with another human being opens up the possibility of rape. Granted, its more likely to occur to a prostitute than a doctor, but it can still happen in a work environment.

The illegalization of prostitution hasn’t stopped it, hell, it probably hasn’t slowed it down, so why not try legalization? At least that way, there’s the chance, however slim, that it may improve the lot of those engaged in such activities.

Everyone’s posted cites for how prostitution is treated in developed countries, where women, in theory, have equal rights with men, but what about those countries where women don’t have equal rights? A quick search has netted me the following cites:

This one claims to reprint an account from a UN document on the Taliban and their reaction to prostitution. (I wonder if they mete out the death penalty for unfaithful wives?)

This one is an account of prostitution and slavery in UAE.

And here you can do a search for all UN documents relating to anything. I typed in “prostitution” and got 575 documents and certainly don’t have time to go through them all.

The simple fact of the matter is that the current methods of curbing prostitution aren’t working. We need to find another way, if we’re really serious about stopping it. Otherwise, we need to shut the hell up about it and legalize it.

I’m not gonna re-do this whole thing over again, the links have been provided, except to say this for those who may not understand:

  1. My stepmother is arguably the most famous and hardest working person on earth for prostitutes’ rights. She is internationally famous among people who know anything about prostitution and about prostitutes themselves. She is in close contact with organizations all around the world that support prostitutes’s rights, and she invited to speak on the subject in China during the giant women’s convention held there around 5 years ago. She’s not just some hooker who knows a few other hookers.

  2. She was in contact with * the actual women interviewed for that study *, and * those women * were screaming bloody murder, because according to them, Melissa Farley was lying through her teeth and distorting everything they said. But they were just the hookers the “study” was based on, so what they have to say doesn’t mean squat. :rolleyes:

  3. I have felt prostitution should be legal since I knew what it was, which was around twenty years before I knew I had a stepmother who was one. So don’t paint my attitude as some desperate attempt to get ok with my stepmother’s choices.

  4. The * median * is neither the $20 blowjob or the $1000 per night. It is, as most medians are, somewhere in the middle of that.

  5. Pointing out the fact that prostitution sucks for a lot of people who are in it is not an argument for keeping it illegal. Lots of legal things suck, too. The prostitutes themselves, the ones you are so worried about (more eyerolling here) are the ones who want it legal; I’d think their opinions should count for something. They really don’t feel “protected” by the fact that what they do is a crime, I assure you.

stoid

Men paying women for sex is not called the oldest profession for nothing. It will never go away.

What we CAN have an impact on is drug addiction, ignorance and poverty, three factors that drive women who otherwise would never dream of doing it into prostitution. Let’s do everything we can to help the women who don’t want to do it avoid having to do it, by making their lives better with education, drug treatment and other social services. Let’s leave the women who freely choose it the hell alone.

stoid