Now I can’t get “Come see the violence inherent in the system!” out of my head. :o
Well put, Gobear.
[sigh] I wish I’d said “bigotry” or “hatred” instead of “racism” – although “racism” does hold up pretty well vis-a-vis anti-Semitism.
Is there a single word that captures the religous chauvanism of a group that disdainfully dismisses all non-Muslims as “infidels”? Because that’s an appellation that’s very commonly tossed about in the overlapping Arab/Muslim worlds. If that isn’t a classic example of entrenched, structural bigotry, I don’t know what is.
settling down a bit - gobear - I still don’t get why you’re singling me out here. My point is that you cannot reasonably profile the phrase “fundementalist muslim male extremists between these ages” by physical traits. and of course, which was the point of the email in the OP. repeating the phrase over and over.
there is no way to accurately profile some one’s religion by physical traits.
I agree that asking routine questions of all passengers, makes sense.
however, that in no way singles out "fundementalist male muslims " etc. and repeating that phrase over and over again as if it’s the solution to ‘the terrorist problem’ is wrong and has dire consequences for the world.
Janet Reno. But I didn’t know she was a child molester. I’ll have to add that to my list of bad things she did.
If you would bother to read my post, you’ll note I made that same point. Focussing on religion and ethnicity is counter-productive. That does not mean that there is no way to effectively profile for terrorists. Look for associations and travel patterns, for example.
On the one hand, checking out all men from Arab countries leaves out women, or converts, like the Latino gangbanger convert who wanted to detonate a dirty bomb. On the other hand, it’s stupid to pretend that the terrorists do not all look similar to one another.
Sugar, look at Khalidh Sheik Mohammed. Look at Mohammed Atta. Look at Osama bin Laden. Notice any blondes?
And I’ll wait here while you
A. Apologise for the garbage you falsely attributed to me.
B. Acknowledge that you there is a problem with Islamic terrorism.
C. Agree that we should look at intent than area of birth of religion.
Again, I think that profiling only by ethnic origin is tupid, but at the same time let’s admit we’re not looking at Swedes as equally as we are at Saudis.
Muslims are not limited to people of Arabic descent. There could be Asian Muslims, or Black Muslims, or even White Blond Blue Eyed muslim extremists. How can you tell which is which just by looking at them?
Lack of foreskin.
Looking at male Muslims is stupid and counter-productive. Looking at fundamentalist Muslims (not only males) is a start, although still very rudimentary and prone to error.
Again, one more time for folks in the back not paying attention. Profiling ONLY by race will trap many more innocent people than it will the guilty. But ignoring ethnicity altogether is just as counter-productive. Men from Saudi Arabia are not necessarily terrorists–99.999 percent are not–but Saudis are FAR more likely to be terrorists than are Finns or Swedes or Argentineans.
I think this is about the third time I’ve seen that particular load of crap on this MB. And every time, there are still people defending it.
I’ll again refer to my first post on the subject, found in this thread.
To sum it up, I can find more examples of terrorism than that 12-point list from one of several different countries, without even covering more than a decade, instead of the just-over three decades of that list. For every terrorist act perpetrated by muslims, I can cite many more performed by non-muslims… Easily more per region, and possibly even more in a single country. Cites included in the above post. While muslims make a nice stereotypical “face” for terrorism, they are far from being the “main threat” of terrorism. They’re just an easy “them”.
Oh, hold up. I made a mistake. I forgot to mention that those “many more” examples to that 12-point list were all, specifically, attacks that involved US citizens. And that one of the parts of that 12 point list isn’t even terrorism…
<checks in pants>
My God! I’m Jewish!
Damn,Miller, me too! I guess i should stop eating this hot dog!
Or Muslims or a white American male born between 1960 and 1980.
<French> “Zat is not my dog.” </F>
Neither do I, for my part, notice any non-fallacious arguments. You cited three Muslim men. Three men (among how many million Muslims on this earth?) do not exactly constitute a statistically significant sampling unless your total population is, oh, four. I mean, Christ, would we get a good statistical representation of this board if we examined the posting histories of:
Serlin
Phaedrus
JDT
Feck no. But that’s specifically what you’re trying to argue.
Don’t forget the two Muslim male snipers who terrorized the Washington D.C. are just a few months ago. In that case, some experts had wrongly profiled the killers as Caucasians, for some reasonl.
Doubtful. Most American males are circumcised.
Which two are those?
The young Jamacain who I have never seen reported as even having become a Nation of Islamer or the older man, John Allen, who was some kind of member of the Nation of Islam, a group that is as Muslim as the Baptists.
As to the point here, I am pleased to inform all that both North Africa and the Sham have native blonde and redheaded populations.
The North African ones are Berber, generally not Islamist in orientation but percentages are.
The Shami pops are mostly of caucasian origin, resettled there in the late 19th century by the Ottomans, fleeing the Russians. This in addition, of course to ‘slave’ inputs from Balkan and Russian slaves.
The range of phenotypes in both the Sham and North Africa are such as to make it ridiculous the idea of profiling by physical type for Islamic radicals.
Shall soon. Shall soon. In several French cells, native French converts featured prominently.