Let's stop fellating Ray Charles's corpse, shall we?

This is nothing new… the same thing happened last year (or was it the one before?) when Johnny Cash died and everyone suddenly loved him when months before, many would have told you they hated country without exception. And around ten years before that, Kurt Cobain’s suicide cemented his status as a modern legend when it’s likely his star would have faded if he’d stayed around.

Then there are all the authors, movies stars, and athletes that achieve immortality through death. It’s annoying but something you have to live with… it’s never going to change.

People have been calling Ray Charles a genius and a legend for decades. Where the fuck have you been? We all agree the corpse-fellating is annoying.

It was Pepsi, and you’ve gotta be kidding me. Ray Charles vs. Keith Godchaux? Or a backup guitarist who doesn’t exist? :wink:

It’s closer to a lie than hyperbole. You think this is the best way to counteract hyperbole - make up and post shit even you don’t actually believe? I’m sorry, like him or don’t Charles influenced tons of people and even with as little of his music as I’ve heard, it’s not tough to see. You’d think it was a fucking chore to turn off the Grammys, or to not watch the damn things in the first place like I’ve done every year of my life.

Hell yeah. I’ve been listening to “The Birth Of Soul”–a double CD compilation of singles he cut between 1952 and 1959, and I’d have to say that just about every vocal mannerism used by subsequent singers, black and white, to sound cool, hip, important, meaningful, or whatever, was already being done by Ray before 1956. Add to that his abilities as a keyboardist and arranger, and there is none like him, none.

If you don’t like his music, that’s fine, but denying his place in music history makes you look like a fool.

And now, you just look like an asshole.

That’s pretty much what I meant to say, but instead it came out like this. :smack: :smiley:

I am in no way denying his impact but that seems like a pretty big exaggeration to me.

In the industry, the engineers called him “One Take Ray.”

And if you don’t think that takes a genius level talent, you don’t know much about recording music.

Tris

“It’s not easy, being Green.” ~ Ray Charles, and Kermit the Frog ~

Does part of “his due” include ignoring the sanctions against South Africa in the 80s and playing Sun City (for the whiteys, I might add)?

Does he deserve a place of honor as one of the progenitors of R&B? Sure. He can arguably lay claim to “inventing” soul music; but was his material really that great? I can think of at least a hundred artists in the same genre that came after him and had better songs, IMO (and in the opinion of many people, according to album sales). Artists who, furthermore, didn’t spend most of their career recording gloppy country music after crossing over with R&B.

Say what you will about what a “genius” he was - his record sales and public profile were sure in the crapper before he kicked the bucket. Now everybody wants to jump on the “genius” bandwagon.

And I agree, I’m sick to death of hearing about Jamie Foxx, too.

Times change, geniuses come and go. Louis Armstrong was a genius and where are his record sales and what is his public profile today? The fact that Charles was no longer in the musical forefront has nothing to do with his musical acuity.

I don’t know. Being an avowed music geek - and having worked in a record store - I can tell you that, at least as far as the customers who bought our CDs were concerned, Louis Armstrong outsold Ray Charles by at least 20 to 1 (and I managed the inventory, so I know what we sold). And fellow music geeks and customers I would chat with at the store were all pretty eager to get into discussions about Armstrong and his place in music, while I can’t remember anyone ever saying more than a few words about Ray Charles, if any. Other music geeks would grant him the “genius” and “inventor” status, but I never heard anybody admit they actively enjoyed listening to him. This was 2-3 years ago, FTR.

Well, that’s conclusive. You want list of great artists who were either broke when they died or unacclaimed 'til later? If we started a thread for that, I’d say it would go more than 5 pages of people’s names. Even if you restrict it to musicians, there are tons.

There is plenty of bandwagon-jumping. Ray Charles was also being called a genius 40-plus years ago.

The Genius of Ray Charles (1959)
The Genius Hits the Road (1960)
Genius + Soul = Jazz (1960)
The Genius Sings the Blues (1961)
The Genius After Hours (1961)

Etc.

~slight hijack~
I’d rather listen to Louis Armstrong any day over Ray.

I’m sure you’re right; Armstrong is still very highly regarded. And apparently much more than I thought, which speaks highly of today’s music afficianado.

But my point was that styles change and geniuses come and go.

I just wanted to point out that Charles’ relatively flat commercial success these days has little to do with his actual musical ability.

I’m not debating his talent, import, etc. I’m saying that everybody loves you when you’re dead. Lots of the people going on about how great his music is didn’t give a shit about him a couple years ago. They’re another version of drama queens; latching onto the music because he died. Shallow, I guess is my criticism.

And speaking of not conclusive: naming yourself (or your record company naming you) a genius on your albums isn’t any kind of evidence you actually are one; it’s hype.

I agree. In no way do I equate commercial success with quality. I just meant to call out the bandwagon jumpers. As a music geek, it’s my duty.

There are those very few, rare individuals that come along in one’s lifetime that should be glorified. Ray Charles was one of those rare individuals. Wait a few short months, it will all be over. But for now, take just a few extra moments to realize that you have been fortunate enough to be alive when Ray Charles was inventing musical genres that will last forever.

People who shrug off Ray Charles are probably the same people who go to see Casablanca or The Godfather and laugh because these films have so many cliches in them. They don’t understand that they’re the originals.

Before Ray Charles, there was no soul music. Zilch. None.

In the mid-1950’s Ray Charles combined gospel music with R&B in the song “I Gotta Woman.” Nobody had heard anything like it. And I don’t remember listening to a lot of pop Black singers before him. He invented a genre and appealed to just about everybody under the age of 50 at the time.

During the winter of my senior year in high school, this man with a kind of dusty sad voice sang about a woman named Ruby. The song was full of sleeplessness and absence and questions. And even though I was still safe at home in a small Southern town and didn’t even know anyone named Ruby, *I knew that song marked a passage into adult feelings for me.

“Georgia on My Mind” was by the same man who wrote “Stardust.” It was nice, but not really special until RC recorded it and people got homesick for a place they’d never been and for moonlight through the pines.

Something similar happened with “America the Beautiful.” I think that it was at the end of the Olympic Games in about 1980 that I heard him sing his version for the first time. It took my breath away. It was like I’d never heard those words before.

Jamie Fox will probably get the Oscar for Ray. It’s not as if the movie was thrown together after Ray’s passing. Those who watched RC for the last 45 years know his moves – the way he held his head, the angle at which he pounded rhythm with his right foot, how he bounced his behind about an inch and a half off the piano bench, the half swagger, half strut – and the voice and laughter too. Those are the things a fan memorizes without even thinking about it. While I was watching the movie, I could relax and forget for long periods of time that Jamie wasn’t Ray.

Ray Charles did record on his last album. It wasn’t all old recordings. There is film footage of him right to the last. His career lasted half a century and he influenced everyone from Presley to the Beatles to country musicians to every soul singer that is. He was dazzlingly good at entertaining people.

It’s been about ten years since I saw Ray Charles in concert on Valentine’s Day. He was fading, but he was still so fine. We were on the aisle a few rows from the front. See that girl with the red dress on? That was me! :cool:

I know it gets tiresome to hear older people say that “you just had to be there.” Honest, I thought that everybody was still turned on to Ray! The man practically invented the word cool.. If you ever decide to give him a try, make sure that you get something that has most of his hits on it. Be sure it has What’d I Say? for when you’re feeling good and “Georgia on My Mind” for when you’re alone, but not too sad.

Thank you for indulging me.

Very few are truly geniuses or legends. Ray was both without question.

What a wonderful post, Zoe. Very well said, indeed. Hell, I’m already a fan and your post made me appreciate him even that much more.

Amen Zoe!

I’ve got a 5 CD set of Ray Charles that my wife gave me a few years ago: “Genius and Soul – The 50th Anniversary Collection”. It has cuts from (you guessed it) Ray’s recordings across the last (almost) 50 years.

Listening to it (and I’ve listened to so many times I think I’ll wear it out) you get an amazing taste of his career and talent and they evolved over that time. Early stuff, all the classics, hits, lesser know cuts. Absolutely amazing. And you come away (or at least I did) thinking “Sonofbitch! He really is a genius!”.

I had a few RC albums previously. I’ve always liked his stuff. But listening to 150 cuts or so from across 50 years really makes it hit home.

Like him or not, if you think he was just a gimmick or side-note to music, you just don’t know what you’re talking about.