Can we expose Millard Filmore now?*
“I could tell you things about Peter Pan
and the Wizard of Oz - there’s a dirty old man!”
- Tom Lehrer
*no, not Mallard Fillmore
Yeah. And I didn’t tell you what else he did. Jackson and a bunch of his hooligan friends TPed my entire neighborhood, and then my neighbor caught them playing ding-dong-ditch. And when she came out to yell at them, Jackson called her a cunt, and Martin Van Buren gave her the finger.
No, he hasn’t. Sure, Van Buren was selected by Jackson, and the original law was signed into Law by Jackson. However, Hitler was “selected” by Hindenburg. There is nothing that shows that Jackson planned or wanted anything at all like Van Buren’s deadly Concentration camps (which is primarily where the Cherokee died, not on the Trail). While Jackson was President, something like 45,000 Natives were relocated with no noted deaths or violence. However, once Scott was allowed free reign by Van Buren (who was a gutless wonder, and although we can say a lot of bad things about Jackson, “gutless” isn,t one of them) then the camps and the deaths started.
I have given cites and facts. Saying “nonsense” does not refute or change them.
Nor has Liberal shown anything that shows that Jackson had anything at all to do with Scotts Concentration camps. Yes, Jackson (along with a majority of Congress mind you!) started the policy of Indian relocation- which we can see now was racist and unfair. But under Jackson’s hand, the policy was carried forward without any noted violence or deaths. If Jackson had been President, there is no doubt in my mind that the unfortunate deaths of so many Cherokee would never have happened. Relocation, yes; but not camps of death.
Eh…You’ve been given plenty of examples of why you are wrong, nothing short of a time machine is going move you from what you really really really really want to believe is by gosh the truth and that your facts and cites dont mean what you think or want them to mean.
So nonsense is as good as anything.
We have women on our money, and have since 1953.
Sometimes, Jackson used to force little old ladies back across the street where they started from.
Except that he hasn’t, is the thing.
Who-other than the Sackys and Susan B. Anthony before her? I don’t think that dollar coins really should count.
You do realize Malacandra is a Brit, yes? Whose Monarch was crowned in 1953? At which time the country’s money got a new face on it?
Liberty?
Ah, I see. I was talking about US bills.
DrDeth, good point, but I’d like to see some of the great women of our country so honored.
ERI also had hers and so did Vicky, so it’s more like “since 1600 or so.”
I agree. Bills are easier to stuff into a stripper’s g-string.
More comfortable for the stripper, too, if anybody cares about the happiness and well-being of strippers.
I care.
ETA: I bet Andrew Jackson didn’t, though. 
Yeah, he was also the kind of guy that would fuck a person in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach-around.
More on Cherokee aggression toward neigboring tribes, and expansion into the territory of those tribes, may be found here:
As a result of the Battle of Tali’wa:
So in other words, the land in north Georgia that Jackson stole from the Cherokee (including the land occupied by Ross and his supporters) was land the Cherokee had stolen from the Creeks some 80 years earlier.
My own family has owned land in northwest Georgia longer than the Cherokee ever did.
Nice post, btw.
You’ve probably answered this in another thread but…
Why isn’t (fucking) Van Buren vilified? I mean he was the Prez when the actual atrocities took place, though the original law and negotiations were carried out by (fucking) Jackson.
It’s awkward, but I can imagine a case for recalibrating blame, though I rather severely doubt that Jackson was gobsmacked by the consequences of his policies.
Pretty much for the reason I said: Van Buren was just the lap dog — Jackson’s hand-picked successor, groomed for the purpose of carrying out Jackson’s plans. (See the PBS link previously given for confirmation of this.) Some Indian sources even speculate that Jackson more or less gave orders to Van Buren during the latter’s term, which given Jackson’s legendary ferocity and bravado is not beyond the realm of imagination by any means. The thing is, it was Jackson who used Indians (and slaves) when it suited him, betrayed them when it suited him, made and broke treaties at will (often with unauthorized representatives), stirred up hatred for Indians among other citizens, ignored Supreme Court rulings that favored the Indians, rammed the Indian Removal Act through Congress, ignored the pleas of thousands of Indians for mercy, and generally set into motion the inevitable consequences that followed. We’re no fan of Van Buren, but he was much like Russia’s successor to Vladimir Putin will be: chosen, groomed, and coerced into compliance with established policy.
The Irish did have a crack at colonialism themselves when they subdued and ruled the people in W.Wales but they were’nt very good at it as the Welsh rose up and unceremoniously forced them to go back to the island of Ireland.
But back to the main topic,its a well known fact that Jackson was also an inveterate nose picker and hated children and small fluffy animals.
That said he STILL doesn’t rank as a bigger bastard then Kaiser Wilhelm who used to amuse himself by grabbing peoples heads and forcing them under the bed clothes and farting on them.
He is known to many serious historians(and not without some considerable justification) as The Great Beast whos number is 666 purely for this practice alone.
At the risk of godwinizing this thread further, this basically amounts to the old “I was just following orders” defense.