Liberalism vs. Democracy

No self-identified liberal would admit to opposing democratic government, in principle. But are liberalism and democracy always compatible values?

I recently encountered an interesting discussion in an article, “A Few Kind Words for Liberalism,” published by Philip Green in The Nation, September 28, 1992 (reprinted in Left Hooks, Right Crosses: A Decade of Political Writing, edited by Christopher Hitchens and Christopher Caldwell (New York: Thunder’s Mouth/Nation Press, 2002)). It reminded me, in a tangential way, of Dogface’s recent GD thread, “The American Left vs. the American People?” (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=242174). In this article, Green addresses the question: Why has “liberal” become a dirty word in the United States, a country with such a vibrant tradition of liberal politics?

I would respond to this by saying that democracy is a system, not an ideology (an ideology based on the sole idea that “democracy is good” would need another name, possibly “democratism”); that any political ideology will have an uneasy relationship with democracy whenever the democratic process tends to produce results incompatible with the ideologues’ goals, as it always will, sooner or later; and that liberalism at least has a better relationship with democracy, and places higher value on it as an end-in-itself, than do most other political belief-systems. Libertarians, for instance, seem to regard democratic (or any) government as a problem to be solved. Populist conservatives and religious conservatives think only in terms of the “democracy” of the homogeneous local community, not of the nation as a whole. And so on.

What do you think?

Thank goodness we Americans don’t live in a democracy.

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People who insist the U.S. is “a republic, not a democracy” usually are decentralists opposed to the expanding power of federal government, or else they’re talking about constitutional government and rule-of-law as distinct from simple majoritarian rule. But this is all beside the point. Every American state is a democracy by any reasonable and useful definition of the term (unless you think that no government can really be “democratic” in any community too large to hold face-to-face meetings of the whole electorate); and the federal government is democratic in form, even if there have been historical disputes (to say the least) over whether it is a government of all the people or an association of sovereign states.

But is not our constitution based upon ideology rather than majority opinion?

I think it’s a very liberal-freindly way of looking at things. I agree that “any political ideology will have an uneasy relationship with democracy whenever the democratic process tends to produce results incompatible with the ideologues’ goals” and leave it at that.

Your claim about libertarians is not correct; it more accurately describes anarchists. Far better to say that libertarians see government as a necessary evil; even libertarians see some value in governement. As a philosophy, it is highly democratic insofar as it emphasizes letting people do what they want to do, and letting their choices shape the society. But it, too, will abandon democracy insofar as many people do not want to choose for themselves, and libertarianism insists on pushing them out of the nest when they would rather be told what to do.

You are missing the whole point of this thread. “Letting people do what they want to do” is arguably a liberal principle, and certainly a libertarian principle, but it is not a democratic principle.

At bottom, democratism (if I might use the term I have just coined) is not a theory of good government but a theory of legitimate government. It is not based on the idea that the people know what is good for them; it is based on the idea that the people know what they want, and deserve to get it, good and bad. If you accept this entirely, then you have to accept the results of the democratic process, even when they visibly do not lead to more personal liberty, or more economic liberty, or more social equality, or whatever particular goals are most important to you.

Okay… and? Are you advocating “Democratism” as your new political philosophy?
Are you drawing a link between “Democratism” and some extant philosophy?

Thesis, please.

So, you’re basically saying… that you want mob rule? Tyrrany of the Majority? Democrotism?

I’m generally considered a liberal here (despite holding quite conservative economic views), and I certainly don’t support any pure democracy as a foundational political philosophy, as it leads to tyranny of the majority.

A pure democracy, today, doesn’t require face to face meetings. We have the technology to literally poll every registered voter. The US has a representative democratic republic, and the founders of the country setup the federal government with many checks and balances, and based on certain rule of law principles. These measures were intended to countermand the whims of the simple majority - something that is, in some ways, undemocratic. Most of the state governments are setup in a very similar manner.

So I reject that the United States represents the type of democracy often referenced in the OP.

No, I am not a thoroughgoing “democratist.” As I said above, there are various political ideologies and they have very different attitudes towards democracy as such. For my part, I am both a liberal and a democratic socialist. I am very aware that there is tension between socialism and democracy just as there is tension between liberalism and democracy. I see value in socialism – most importantly, in its conception of the classless society as a goal both desirable and achievable – but I regard “democratic” as the far more important half of that phrase. Any version of socialism or social democracy that is not achieved through the processes of democratic government will be a very bad thing. (I don’t need to support that position with an argument, do I? We’ve seen enough real-life examples to know how it is: Sweden good, Cuba bad.) In politics, I would push a democratic-socialist agenda by any means that do not involve force or fraud.

However, I do think our system of democracy could be improved by institutional reforms – proportional representation, instant runoff voting, and ballot fusion – to provide for political representation of a wider range of parties and viewpoints. This is arguably a “democratist” proposal as it is intended to make our democratic system even more democratic, more fully representative of the whole range of political beliefs among the people; whereas it does not clearly serve the agenda of any particular political grouping – Socialists and Greens could get into Congress under a PR system, but so could Libertarians, America Firsters, etc. There’s no reason to expect America’s political center-of-gravity would actually shift one way or another after adopting PR.

Why do I want it, then? Because, apart from being a fairer system, PR would boost our collective civic IQ, constantly reminding us that there are more than two sides to every question. An individual who habitually looks at all conceivable sides of a given question is much wiser than one who habitually reduces all questions to only two alternatives; and it is the same with a body politic. E.g., the Libertarians might never get their whole way on anything; but if there were one or two Libs sitting in every Congressional committee, then we could count on them to come up with reasons nobody else would ever have thought of as to why government should not do this or that. And sometimes, not always but sometimes, those reasons will be very good ones indeed and will carry the debate. Greens, even as a small-minority party, would be there to point out the environmental aspects of any issue. Socialists would be there to show how this issue affects the interests of the poor and the working class. And so on.

If we adopted PR and IRV, then (in the course of a few election cycles), I expect that the Republican Party would break up along its natural fault lines: The kind of freedom-first Republicans who supported Goldwater in 1964 would go off to swell the ranks of the Libertarian Party. The Christian social conservatives would go to the Consitution Party or some equivalent. The nativist-isolationist conservatives would join Pat Buchanan’s America First Party. The white-supremacist and militia conservatives . . . no, let’s not even think about that, shall we? The remaining Republican Party would be more purely (and more obviously) the party of business interests and hawkish neoconservative foreign policy. The Democrats would split into a centrist neoliberal party, with the approximate politics of the Democratic Leadership Council; and a left-of-center party, made of the kind of Dems who have been supporting Dean this year, or Sharpton, Braun or Kucinich. Some Democrats would migrate to the Green Party. Maybe the various socialist parties of the left would put aside their ideological difference and merge into one big party, which still would be a small party, but undeniably there in a sense that no socialist party is there, now. (PR would give small-and-similar parties an incentive to merge, because most PR systems formally or practically require a party to achieve a certain threshold, say 5% of the vote, before it wins any representation at all.) So there would be seven or eight medium-sized parties, covering the whole range of political opinions among the American people, and it wouldn’t be impossible for them to form coalitions on any given issue. Coalitions are formed now – that’s how the two big parties exist in the first place – but under a multiparty system, inter-party coalitions would be temporary, ad hoc and issue-specific, and, more importantly, the coalition-building would take place in Congress where everybody could watch it. E.g., the Libertarians and the Greens would vote together on legalizing marijuana and slashing the defense budget, and on practically nothing else.

It would also make politics a hell of a lot more entertaining!

I’ve started several GD threads on this and related topics:

“What is the best scheme for mapping/classifying political ideologies?”

“Four political tradition: Is this a good model?”

“Should the U.S. adopt alternative, pro-multipartisan voting systems?”

“What would a multipartisan America be like?”

“How many kinds of “liberals” or “leftists” are there in America?”

“How many kind of “conservatives” are there in America?”

But here I am, hijacking my own thread. Let’s get back to the tension between liberalism and democracy.

Good points. I liked the comments from The Nation, although they perhaps slam conservatives a little too glibly.

The US at this point in time is, for all practical purposes a socialist republic. And not just for practical purposes, from the perspective of 1910s or 1920s, it really is a socialist republic. It just isn’t socialistic enough.

I think we need to throw away our hang-ups about the word “socialism,” and face the fact that that’s what we are. And also the fact that socialism is the only way to run a modern-day industrial society.

To respond to the OP, a pure democracy is something we have never had, nor is it really desirable. “Democracy” is just a feel-good word that gets tossed around for the sake of rhetoric. I myself certainly believe in rule by the people for the people, in rule by the many and not the few. But accomplishing this is quite tricky. The US for a time was doing a better and better job, we were becoming a more just society and one with less economic disparity. Since Reagan, things in the latter area have been getting worse.

This relates to points made above that the U.S. is not really, or that it should not be, a “democracy.” I ran across an article, “Why There Will Be No Revolution in the U.S.,” published by Michael Lind in the New Left Review, February 1, 1999 (http://www.newamerica.net/index.cfm?pg=article&pubID=1013). This was a round in a published dialogue between Lind (a former National Review editor) and socialist Daniel Lazare. Lazare is best known for his book The Frozen Republic (New York: Harcourt, Brace & Co., 1996), where he argues that the U.S. Constitution in its present separation-of-powers form should be scrapped because it includes too many barriers to true democracy, to the direct expression in public policy of the will of the people. He envisions a (nonviolent) political revolution which would end with the House of Representatives having effectively total and unfettered sovereignty, the way the House of Commons has in the U.K. Elsewhere, Lazare has argued for switching to a multiparty, PR-based system (a goal which Lind supports entirely). Lazare expects, rather unrealistically, that a multiparty parliamentary system in the U.S. would open the way for socialism; but that can be separated from the main thread of his argument, that a parliamentary system is more democratic. In this article, Lind points out that there are actually two traditions of democratic theory: “majoritarian” and “consociational”:

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Two Conceptions of Democracy

If Lazare’s critique of the U.S. constitutional system depended entirely on his ideology-influenced misprisions of American political culture and American political history, then it would deserve to be dismissed. The most important aspects of Lazare’s critique, however, are based on a conception of democracy, which in theory (if not in Lazare’s own theory) has no necessary connection to the ideology of the socialist left.

Lazare never makes explicit his own conception of the ideal constitution. From his writings, it appears that his conception of the good constitution rests on two premises. The first is that a “demos” is a more or less coherent community. The second assumption is that relatively simple majoritarian institutions are the most adequate vehicles for the expression of the sovereign will of the demos. Lazare’s ideal constitution, it would seem, would establish a unicameral legislature in a unitary state, with a majority of the legislators free to abrogate the constitution and promulgate a new one whenever they chose to do so. This conception explains Lazare’s insistence that federal systems and complex constitutions are either deluded responses to groundless fears of majority tyranny or sinister contraptions devised by machiavellian elites to neutralize democracy. “Can a people divided and conquer itself?” Lazare write (p. 27). “Is stable self-government really to be achieved through self-fragmentation?” (p.27).

If this is a fair statement of Lazare’s views, as I believe it is, then Lazare belongs in the older and more influential of the two traditions of thinking about democracy. The oldest and most prevalent conception of democracy identifies it with the will, or in another version the interests, of a numerical majority. Most centrist liberal and progressive proposals for constitutional reform, along with those of the radical left, have been based on this assumption. 7 There is, however, a minority tradition in political thought, which questions the identification of democracy with majority rule. The nineteenth-century American theorist and South Carolina Senator John Calhoun, with his idea of “the concurrent majority,” is one of the key figures in this minority tradition. 8 So are twentieth century theorist of “consociational democracy,” like Arend Lijphart and Lani Guinier, most of whom are found on the center-left and share nothing in common with Calhoun except for a concern with the plight of numerical minorities.9

The consociational theory of democracy differs from the majoritarian theory in two key respects. First, unlike majoritarians, consociationalists take seriously the possibility that a given political community may be made up of two or more enduring, distinct communities defined by extra-political characteristics, such as regional, racial, or religious identities. The second difference follows from the first. Consociationalist theory rejects the assumption that simple majoritarian constitutional structures are necessarily the best. In countries with a complicated regional or ethnic make-up, complicated democratic instititutions may be necessary.

Concessions and Consensus

From the consociationalist perspective, a given constitution may be less important as a set of rules for the self-government of a majority than as what the philosopher John Gray calls a modus vivendi, a treaty among various groups, which may have a long history prior to that of the national or multinational polity in which they find themselves as a result of coercion or choice. In particular countries, particular compromises embedded in the constitution as a concession to this or that sub-national group will cause the constitution to deviate to a greater or lesser degree from the Platonic ideal of a democratic constitution. In some cases the deviations may be unjustifiable (like the concessions made to slave-owners or less populous states in the U.S. constitution). In other cases, though, the concession may be reasonable and legitimate—particularly if the alternative to an idiosyncratic constitution is not a simpler, more majoritarian constitution, but secession or other kinds of civil strife.

For many (though by no means all) majoritarian theorists, the purpose of democracy is to “express” the “will” of the more or less unitary “people”—a Rousseauian General Will that somehow (perhaps by mental telepathy) has formed apart from, and prior to, elections and debates among elected officials. For adherents of consociationalism, the purpose of democracy is not the expression of a pre-existing national will, but the formation of a consensus among sub-national groups—substantial minorities, as well as majorities. Elections, negotiations among parties within the legislature, negotiations among houses of a government with separation of powers, even negotiations between levels of government—all of these may be legitimate stages in the cobbling together of a political consensus. To oversimplify matters, it might be said that majoritarians see legislation as the product of a political consensus, whereas consociationalists see a political consensus as the product of the legislative process.

The emphasis that consociational democracy puts on consensus suggests that as a rule supermajorities should be preferred to simple majorities. A program enacted by a bare majority, against the bitter opposition of a near-majority, is likely to be lacking in legitimacy, in practice if not in theory. Nor is it that much more legitimate in theory, if one rejects the majoritarian fiction that fifty-one percent of a population speaks for the whole. Every numerical minority in a society cannot be placated. But no effect should be spared to coopt substantial minorities, if social peace hangs upon the result.

Consociational democrats are much more likely than majoritarians to view the constitutional polity as something fragile and in danger of “Balkanization” into lesser communities along subnational lines. The fact, noted above, that party systems in democracies tend to perpetuate and reinforce regional and ethnic and religious divisions within nations only strengthens the fear of consociated theorist that ill-designed democratic arrangements will exacerbate rather than avert civil strife.

Revising the Constitution

The consociational theory of democracy provides a justification for written constitutions other than the superhuman wisdom of the drafters—be they classical Legislators, or American Founders. If the constitution is thought of as a treaty among groups, then an ephemeral political majority should not be able to unilaterally revise what a supermajority painstakingly negotiated.

At the same time, the constitution-treaty analogy works against the idea that any given constitution could or should be eternal. Like treaties, constitutions should be revised or replaced every few decades or generations, as conditions and particular balances of social forces change. (Calhoun, more perceptive than Madison in this as in many other respects, noted that constitutions tend to embody obsolete social compromises—fighting the last civil war, as it were). Periodic revision of fixed constitutions prevents the evil of preserving an outmoded system, while preserving the important distinction between the constitution and ordinary legislation. Periodic revision is not alien to the American tradition; although the federal constitution of 1787 has not been replaced, only amended, many American states have had three or four or five constitutions in their history—Jacksonian constitutions in the early nineteenth century, Progressive constitution in the early twentieth. The project of constitutionalism as the basis of what the philosopher John Gray calls a social modus vivendi is thwarted if it is too easy to amend or replace a constitution—and also if it is too difficult.

Having said this, it is important to stress that consociational democracy has nothing to do with immobilism, with the idea that hasty action is somehow worse than slow action, or that incremental policies are to be preferred to systematic ones. The goal of consociational constitutionalism is to promote consensus for policies enacted by a democratic government—not to prevent abuses of government by impairing the capacity of government to act at all.

Consociationalism and Constitutionalism

If we think of constitutions as compromises among different groups living in the same territory, groups that may agree on little more than the desirability of continued co-existence, then we would not expect them to resemble one another closely, any more than we would expect a treaty between Britain and Iceland to contain most of the provisions of a treaty between Australia and Indonesia. As Adam Ferguson wrote, “Laws, whether civil or political, are expedients of policy to adjust the pretensions of parties, and to secure the peace of society. The expedient is accommodated to special circumstances…” 10 The irreducible diversity of constitutions reflects the irreducible diversity of nations and the regions, ethnic groups, linguistic communities and religious denominations into which the populations of the world’s states are divided.

Proponents of consociational democracy, then, tend to be very cautious about suggesting that only one or a few models of constitutional democracy are legitimate. Asked to devise an abstract blueprint for an unnamed democracy, most contemporary theorists of consociationalism would be likely to propose a parliamentary system with legislators elected by one or another method of proportional representation. But any consociational theorist worth his salt would probably reject the exercise, on the grounds that, as there are no generic countries, there can be no generic constitutions. In most circumstances, PR might be preferable to plurality voting. However, in countries where PR might lead to formation of parties along narrow regional, ethnic or religious lines, plurality voting might deter the direct translation of social difference into political conflict, by encouraging the coalescence of interests into two stable parties based on crosscutting alliances. Similarly, as a general rule, parliamentary democracy may be better than presidential democracy. But in newly-democratized countries with royal or dictatorial traditions, a quasi-regal president, invested by popular election with plebiscitary legitimacy, might be more effective than a prime minister or chancellor in imposing civilian authority on recalcitrant armed forces and bureaucracies.

With these qualifications in mind, it is possible to make some cautious generalizations about the suitability of different constitutional structures in light of the rival theories of democracy. The institutions best suited for the creation of a consociational “consensus” are not necessarily those best adapted to the expression of a majoritarian “will.”

The Spectre of Direct Democracy

The majoritarian theory of democracy itself comes in several versions. One, associated with Edmund Burke, holds that elected representatives should do what they believe is in the best interest of their constituents whether the constituents agree or not. This view is less influential than the “mandate” theory, according to which an “instructed” representative is bound to carry out the wishes of the majority that elected him. If the “mandate” is that of a party rather than an individual, the appropriate form is Westminster democracy, in which the winning party should face few constitutional restrictions in enacting a complex program which is assumed to have been endorsed, down to its details, by a majority (or, in some cases, a plurality) of the electorate. Taken to an extreme, the mandate theory would encourage the elimination of legislatures altogether, and their replacement either by direct democracy, in the form of referenda on particular issues, or elective dictatorship. (Something like this conclusion was drawn by early twentieth century U.S. Progressives, whose puritanical horror of legislative log-rolling led them to favor strong, “nonpartisan” executives, like city managers, as well as initiative and referendum).

For obvious reasons, the theory of consociational democracy emphasizes the primacy of a legislature (whether unicameral or bicameral) that reflects the diversity of legitimate interests in a complex and divided society in its very make-up. To be genuinely representative, a legislature must be sufficiently large, and it should be elected by methods that do not misrepresent the actual distribution of opinions, values and interests in the electorate (almost all theorists of consociational democracy prefer forms of proportional representation to the first-past-the-past or plurality voting system for this reason).

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??? The U.S. a “socialist republic”? How do you square that assertion with the highly unequal distribution of wealth in our society, the disproportionate political power of the overclass, and the control of most economic activities by private businesses? The only “socialist” elements we have are a limited welfare state, a business regulatory regime, and a labor force in which some few workers belong to unions. Do you think these are enough to meet any reasonable definition of socialism?