Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité

A United States diplomatic incident involving a commission sent to France in 1797 to negotiate differences between the two countries. These differences arose largely out of the United States’ refusal to come to the aid of France (then at war with Great Britain) as stipulated in the Franco-American treaty of 1778. The French retaliated by preying upon American shipping. French foreign minister Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord informed the commission through three secret agents that the French would not negotiate unless the United States “lent” the French government $10 million and gave Talleyrand $250,000. The commissioners rejected the proposals.

In 1798 the dispatches of the American commissioners were made public; the letters X,Y, and Z were substituted for the names of Talleyrand’s emissaries. The exposure caused widespread indignation. After French general Napoleon Bonaparte seized power in 1799, the two nations established friendlier relations.

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Well, I would not exactly consider this a great debate. Generic “the Frogs are stinky cowards” or “you Ammuricans are jealous of our ‘seduisant’ nature” should probably be in the Pit; and if this is just trolling, it’s as good a place as any to figure it out. Off to the BBQ Pit.

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See, that’s why I like coming here. Learn something new every day.

French-Canadians (Québécois) too !

O.K. If you want crap for steppin’ in all over your country, cool. Whatever floats your boat. But the shower thing? Come on!!! Perfume? For the ladies? I can see it now:

New From Calvin Klein, an emotion, a state of mind a fragrance: Pit-funk. From France.

Yeah, bottle it up. I’ll take all the smelly frenchmen perfume I can get. The ladies will just start knockin’ down the door once I can hide the fact that I actually bathe daily. Sheesh.

It’s not just the french, you know. Anyone who doesn’t bathe starts to smell like anchovies. Yuck.

I guess you probably save cash on laundry though. What with so few towels in the load.

DaLovin’Dj

Au revoire mon ami. Smell ya later…

I’m not, I expect at any moment he will say:

“I don’t wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! You mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!”

Sorry, but you figured sombody had to do it.

Ahhh, France. The Texas of Europe.

My opinion of both remains unchanged.

MMmmmmmm…Damn, now I’m craving a nice, big MacDo. “I’d like a MacDo- extra Doo, please!”

Nice OP. Who moved the rock?

Zette

Okay, I am not trying to be an asshole here. I have a great deal of respect for anyone who can speak or write in a foreign language; after ten years of beating my head against French, Italian, and Russian, I have realized I have no such capacity for such. However, one should take steps to help someone along by pointing out and correcting their errors. Hopefully, I don’t seem patronizing in doing so, and I don’t make my own mistakes. Gaudere’s Law and all.

I have notice that

“I have noticed that”. Have indicates past tense, therefore, notice should be past tense as well.

  • I would like to tell against them.*

“To tell” means to inform. You cannot tell against something- you may “speak out” against something; you may even “rail” against something should you be full of piss and vinegar.

I have live in France from since my birth

Against, have indicates past tense, therefore “live” should be “lived”. In addition, “from” and “since” mean the same thing, therefore one or the other should be used, not both.

(except for one term in Washington dc, your great capital city! ha ha!),

dc is always capitalized when referring to Washington. i.e., Washington DC. Some people use periods, as “DC” is an acronym for District of Columbia- ergo, Washington D.C. Your choice.

Second, your use of “term” is undefined. In America, a “term” tends to indicate that one has served in a political office for an election cycle- therefore, by stating you have spent one term in Washington DC, you indicate that at some point you were a Congressman. As this seems unlikely, perhaps you mean a year of school, which we in America refer to as a “school year”.

so perhaps I shall know best how splendid is my home country than the big USA.

“splendid” is not a comparative adjective. You could say “I shall know best how splendid is my home country.” Or you could say, “I shall know best how much more splendid my home country is than the big USA.”

Someone in an other section complained that french are dirty

“an other” is actually one word. Another.

because they do not bath every day

“bath” is a noun. One takes a bath. “bathe” is a verbe. One bathes every day.

  • because in Paris there is dogs making toilet on the ground.*

there are dogs. You are referring to the dogs, which means a plural form of the verb, not Paris, which would be singular.

Second, “making toilet” is a bad idiom to use. Doing so makes you sound like a grandmother or a foreigner. Perhaps you actually are a grandmother; I don’t know. In any case, a better idiom would be “going to the bathroom”. A more vulgar idiom would be “shitting”.
I am not to disagree, but instead to say “why is this so bad?”

not going to disagree.

*picking up the dog’s toilet with our hands in bags like I have seen in the USA. *

Again, continuing a poor idiom. An American would say “picking up the dog’s waste” or, vulgarly, “dog shit”.

I am rather to have it in my shoes than my hands, to be honest.

on my shoes. In indicates being inside; your feet are in your shoes. On indicates being over or on top of; your roof is on your house. Unless you parade around in socks, get dog waste on your socks, and then put on your shoes, the waste is ON your shoes, not IN them.

When I play football I shower

Note to the wise- American football is called “football” here in America. European football is called “soccer”. Given that Americans dominate this board in numbers, to avoid confusion, you should refer to football as soccer. If you do not, you will get a great number of people asking you if you think the Ravens will repeat this year, and your preferences on the dime defense. If you refer to it as soccer, you will make yourself clear, although you’ll have to put up with Britons going on about Manchester Rules and sticky wickets and stuff like that.
*I will let them eat their MacDo and I will take our great french cuisine for a dinner. *

“for dinner” is the better way of stating it. In addition, I think most Americans would understand who you mean by “MacDo”; but the American idiom would be “McD’s”, “Mickey D’s”, or “that greasy place with the surly teenagers and the really scary clown.”

Now, as for the actual content- your penis is large, so is mine, big fucking deal.

[Fixed my following of Gaudere’s Law. -JMCJ]

[Edited by John Corrado on 08-29-2001 at 01:40 PM]

Losing Lewis is gonna cost them, and Allen can’t quite fill those shoes. If Billick gets Robert Smith out of retirement, I can see a playoff berth for Baltimore, but Smith’s return is unlikely. I give the Ravens about a 75% shot of achieving the playoffs as they stand today.

The dime defense has potential, and I think that the Ravens would probably be best able to pull it off, assuming they get a bit more depth in the secondary. You’ve got Ray Lewis, anyway; why do you need another linebacker?

…what?

LIBERTARIAN, that was great! I was tres impressed. (Note use of French.)

Buuut . . .

Guys, if this guy is really from France, and he has what we call “le half de la brain,” I think he’d be a nice addition to the club house. Add a little flavor internationale, you know?

LOFTSTORY, if you are on the level, you might want to wander over to IMHO or MPSIMS for a less prickly welcome. Even when they’re not feeling particularly hostile, Pitizens tell to come across as, well, hostile.

If you’re not on the level, you’re on your own.

Oh, and the general American opinion (if I may be so bold as to speak for many) is that the only smell worse than bad body odor is bad body odor with perfume squirted on it.

Ha! This was so appropriate it gave me a laugh:

le linque

LoftStory, buddy, don’t leave!

Not before you tell me this: In France, do you really call staple removers “grenouilles”?

I gotta know.

As an American and a dedicated francophile, I would like to extend the back of my hand rapidly and forcefully to just about all of you. Is it really necessary to rise to the challenge of some ignorant, semi-literate fuck out for a rise?

LoserStory can barely write coherent English. What’s your excuse, Libertarian? One would think that a poster with your reputation would try to avoid cliché. I mean, how many times have ignoramuses bitched about the Académie Francaise and American support for France in WWII? And the hygiene routine is older than the crust on an American farmer’s underwear. It is appalling that so many intelligent people find such hackneyed merde funny. It is appalling to me that intelligent people, who croon about the evils of racism and unwarranted generalizations, are so ready to stroke the Cheez Whiz-covered cock of American national pride.

As the French so eloquently say, suce ma bite.

I’m with Gary Kumquat on this one. There’s no way this fucker’s actually French.

And UncleBeer, I seem to recall learning that the actual XYZ documents were forgeries. I did a quick internet search and turned up nada. Am I just making this up completely?

loftstory,

Tandis qu’il peut sembler que les dents des femmes françaises sont comme la roche brune dans les bouches de tant de gerbils rabiques, elles sont réellement sentir fraîchement du meilleur jus de raisins rance du monde. Le stench viril des hommes français est terminé renommé le monde, et la Russie égale tremble dans la crainte de l’odeur maîtrisante si répandue en France. Merci d’indiquer de telles vérités à nous, et ne vous inquiétez pas, vous sont sûrs des Allemands maintenant.

And to Maeglin, yes.

Piss off.

MAEGLIN, you know I like you, but a smack across the face deserves one good kick in the shin.

Actually, the individual raising the issue of French hygiene and WWII was the OP’er. Or did you miss that? And, yes, these may be old cliched subjects to blow the dust off of, but he virtually asked for it.

:: Shrug :: I thought it was funny. In fact, I thought it was very funny. I’m not sure if in your mind that takes me out of the ranks of the intelligent or not, but then I myself am in the ranks of those who do not presume to tell others what they should find funny, disagree with it or not.

Well, I imagine the other poster can speak for themselves, but I did not take any of their posts to be serious. Here in the Pit, if you hand someone a sharp stick they will poke you with it, simple as that – which is why I rarely, if ever, post details of my personal life. No one has posted anything that might seriously be taken as attacking France.

If you feel it is inappropriate to “bash” the French, then perhaps you might better address yourself to the person who so transparently invites it. And you may be convinced he’s a troll, but it seems to me to that you are then in a weak position to attack those tease him.

Everyone knows I’m a francophile, so feel free to flame me for being biased.

Now, now, France and America are the oldest of friends. Sometimes the myths that the people of each country believe about the other wear a little thin. I can’t tell you how many people told me “The French don’t like Americans,” “The French don’t bathe,” yadda yadda, before I visited France. You know what? Baloney. The French people were charming, and there were no greater proportion of (noticeable) non-bathers than over here. And yes, they kick our ass in the bread, wine and cheese department. They also design and build completely awesome highways.

And LoftStory, I won’t argue that we are not infested with “McDo’s,” Taco Bells, Shakey’s and what have you. The other side of the coin is that there is a hell of a lot of brilliant, innovative cooking talent over here, and we have some chefs that will give Alain Ducasse or Marc Meneau a run for their money. And some of the departments we kick ass in are quality beef production, computer technology and small appliance design. No offense, but I really thought the washing machine in our gite was a bread machine.

At any rate, our two countries molded modern democracy, and helped each other during our struggles therefor. Let’s show some of the quality that those guys did.

Yeah, we make fun of frogs, whatcha gonaa do about it? Surrender to us? Oh, and we blew up your embassy on purpose…F111’s don’t miss.