Libruls are scared of Herman Cain!

Or of Sarah Palin! Or of Michelle Backmann! Or of Rick Santorum!

Well, yes and no. Mostly, they’re huge figures of fun to liberals, I think. (I’m not really one of them, but I think I understand them well, and can speak for them, though I’ll need to take three giant steps to my right to become one of them.) If the Pubbies were to nominate a gigantic nutbag with zero gravitas and fewer credentials, most libs would think it a gift, electorally speaking. Against almost any of these, Obama would start off with a clear advantage and then build on that as the election progressed, making 2008 look like a tense, closely contested election whose outcome was always in doubt.

But the “No” part divides into two smaller parts: nominating a nutbag has two downsides, both of which are VERY unlikely but VERY scary to liberals. Said nutbag might, just might, turn into a surprisingly viable candidate, for a variety of unforeseeable reasons, such as they might drop the nutbag image they’ve spent a lifetime building, and be able to talk sound fiscal or foreign policies for the first time in their lives (this one is on of the order of their being able to sprout an extra head, but it’s possible, I guess) or Obama might have a heart attack around the end of October and be in the ICU on Election Day, or have some big sex scandal, or be revealed to be Kenyan-born all along–IOW, the Republicans could win with a heifer as their candidate, and said nutbag profits from being in the right place at the right time. This is scary.

And so of course is the other smaller part: if that happens, then we have 4 years with President Nutbag actually in office, which would be a major bummer, and might just toss this entire culture into the dustbin of history. The point is that both of these scaenarios, which are basically two stages of the same scenario (the first a scary electoral season, the second a scarier administration), are considered EXTREMELY unlikely, and most liberals would probably opt FOR it rather than choosing a moderate opponent (like Romney, who’s scary enough, thank you, or Huntsman) with a much more realistic chance of defeating Obama without Providential help, but a less scary administration to follow.

What I’m claiming is that, yes, there is a tiny element of real fear of each of these nutbag candidates, but it’s sorta like a fear of a comet crashing into the planet–it’s very unlikely to happen, but if it happens, it’s going to be very bad.

Liberals aren’t scared of people like Bachmann or Cain or Palin or Santorum. They’re pretty harmless as individuals. Liberals are scared of the millions of people who vote for people like Bachmann or Cain or Palin or Santorum.

Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’

– Isaac Asimov

Nah, I couldn’t give a shit, nor could most Dems and libs, if six or eight or eleven million vote for one of the nutbags–the scary part is that liberals tend to think “OK, but what If I’m wrong?” (a thought that’s anathema to nutbag types) and the mathematical possibility that one of them, once nominated, actually has a prayer of being elected, impossible as that is to imagine, is where the fear comes from. It’s irrational, in some ways, but it’s there.

I was flipping channels and didn’t catch the first part of what was said, but on last night’s Charlie Rose, I think a guest on the show said that Herman Cain had commented that he was "very concerned’ that China may soon acquire nuclear weapons…:smack:

If he actually said that and really meant it (instead of it being a simple slip of the tongue, maybe he meant Chile?) EVERYBODY should be afraid of someone that clueless anywhere near 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

[Looks back at the Bush the lesser classic cover from The Nation from 2000:]

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I wish **that **had been an irrational fear.

MPB, The Daily Show and The Colbert Report have been having fun with that very thing. Cain DID say that he was concerned about China wanting to develop nuclear capabilities.

Oh, I don’t know if it’s automatically wrong to be scared of the current crop of Republican hopefuls. Some people really are afraid of clowns.

I’m not scared of Herman Cain. I don’t think he’s going to beat me up or anything. I am, however, absolutely terrified of a Cain administration, which would be a disaster from which the country might never recover.

But my point (I have one, I think) that you should be rooting for Cain to get the Pubbie nomination because he would be easier to beat than a gong. Pub bies are right when they claim “You’re scared of Herman Cain” because of the case you make above, but if you get a choice (and you don’t) you’d welcome his nomination–right?

To assess whether liberals really are or are not afraid is to miss the point. The point is that a significant fraction of the Republican base will simply vote for whoever they think liberals hate/fear most. This is simply another twist on pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Well, coulrophobia is backed by data. Hard, solid, statistical data. Namely there’s a teensy tiniest chance, whenever you meet a clown you haven’t pre-emptively shot, that he’s going to be someone like him. Herman Cain landing in the White House, however, doesn’t have such good odds.

I would not welcome his nomination. Partly, of course, because there is that chance, however small, of him winning, but more importantly, because I think having multiple serious parties is essential for our system to work properly, in the long term. Yes, I prefer the Democrats to the Republicans, but that doesn’t mean the Dems are perfect: They still need a loyal opposition to keep them honest. If the Republicans keep nominating someone who could be beat by a gong, what’s to stop the Democrats from nominating gongs to oppose them?

Yeah, possibly. But I’m reminded of a conversation I overheard in a restaurant during the '08 election season (re: the democratic nomination):

“Well, I’d rather have a woman for president than a nigger.”

If certain Republicans had to choose between two of the latter, their heads would asplode. Even if their blacks are better than our blacks.

The only people afraid of Cain are women who work for him.

Well said Chronos. I tend to think exactly the way PRR does but you bring up a very valid point.

That said of the current crop of GOP hopefuls the only one that even seems vaguely serious to me is Romney. The rest, to include Cain and Perry just seem laughably beatable.

I’ve thought that conservatives generally pretty much base their political positions on fear, and are assuming liberals do as well. “Conservative” pretty much means “fear of change”, doesn’t it? Allow gays to marry? SCARY! Allow blacks and women to vote? THE HORROR!!!

To be fair, Huntsman is a legitimate candidate, too.

I, for one, am scared to death of Cain. Republican party, whatever you do, please [del]don’t throw me into that briar patch[/del] nominate Herman Cain.

Valid point PRR … he doesn’t get that much media attention though. I still think it will end up being Romney in the end.