Nobody with any expertise is close enough to make a real solid analysis. It seems the farther away you are the surer you are about your opinions. People in Libya are waiting breathlessly to find out what the rest of their lives will be like.
All the conflicting reports just indicate we do not know what is going on. We do not know who is winning. The participants probably don’t know either.
Facing up to a more powerful enemy is not how you overthrow a government. It is generally done with hit and run type fighting. This war seems quite different than most rebellions.
The UK and France would be preparing a no fly zone proposal to be presented to the UN. It would have the support of the Arab League.
Yeah, but not the real Arab League, just that fake one that’s a puppet of Western governments and Al-Qaeda and the Zionists, with their hallucinogenic pills and their Nescafe!
Russia is saying openly it doesn’t like it. Read: Veto.
How does it come to pass that Russia gets of on Libya? They buy a lot of tanks?
Who even remembers Egypt now? I almost wonder if the Saudis and a bunch of others are financing Ka-Daffy’s moves, in order to keep the spotlight on him ans away from them.
Russia doesn’t like interventionism in internal issues, generally. I guess it might be this.
What do you mean by “would be”? Are? Should be? Might be?
More from Zawiya, where appears to be under a major attack from regime troops. A witness in the city told BBC Arabic that a shower of bullets is hitting every building in the city. Rebel fighters there are claiming to have killed a high ranking pro-Gaddafi officer during the clashes.
Everyone seems to be afraid just establishing a no-fly zone would get the U.S./NATO into a “quagmire” . . . but I don’t see it. What quagmire? This ain’t Vietnam, Afghanistan or Iraq. Once Gaddafi falls, he falls all the way; there will be no guerilla insurgency in the Fezzan fighting to restore . . . whatever he stood for other than Gaddafi.
Fine. I say go ahead with the proposal. If Russia vetos, they can take full responsibility for the subsequent deaths that will occur in Libya.
What I meant is that it was briefly mentioned as fact on yesterday’s evening news. But since I didn’t read a confirmation and since a lot of stuff is stated on TV and doesn’t happen (for instance in this case, it could be that the UK and France are preparing such a proposal “just in case” and don’t intend to actually present to the UN except if the situation becomes worse or if some sort of diplomatic agreement is made), I didn’t want to post it as a fact here.
Maybe using “would” in this case is a mistake. If so, let me know so that I can use a more appropriate formulation next time.
Too litle too late. If he had tried this from the start, he MIGHT have been able to get away with it but its too late now.
I don’t think anybody is affraid of a quagmire. Rather, western countries are reluctant to be perceived as interventionists in the Arab world again. After all, about every single Arab country, friendly or not, would have been perfectly happy without all these revolutions
Of course there could be other reasons. A success might give bad ideas to the people living in “friendly” countries (Imagine the Sauds being overthrown), they don’t know what Libya will become after a successful revolution, they aren’t that willing to spend money and lives, what if the revolution fails despite the no-fly zone, etc…
I heard something along those lines too. He wants guarantees, apparently (I guess the guarantee of not being tried and in all likelihood executed). Might be the right time for Chavez to offer him political asylum or something similar.
By the way, this link apparently confirm that discussion about a no fly zone proposal is indeed underway :
That’s an overly simplistic way of viewing the situation. Giving people the freedom to sort their issues out on their own in no way makes one responsible for the ultimate outcome. Neither Russia, nor the US, nor the UK is some sort of global constable; no nation has a manifest right to prance around the planet, meddling in domestic disputes and imposing artificial restrictions from the outside.
I, for one, hope that Russia (and likely China) does the just thing and vetoes any Western attempt to violate Libyan sovereignty. This is not a matter that concerns most of you - it is for Libyans and Libyans alone to decide. If this means that your precious rebels get their asses handed back to them by the government supporters, so be it. They have chosen to live by the sword; if they cannot prevail on their own, then let them die by the sword. Sovereignty must come before all else.
Look, try to think of this as similar to the USSR intervening in Afghanistan to defend the home-grown revolution there.
You call yourself a Communist?!
Actually we do not give them the power for self determination. They are in the throes of exercising it now. Interfering in their nation takes away the choice. It is us making it for them. Once they open the door to our help. the door is hard to close.