Actually, everything I’ve read says that it was Hillary spending so much time upstate that gave her the win.
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Certainly, NYS is NOT just the City, and this is most certainly why Lazio lost the election. He did a very poor job of campaigning up here, and, even more importanly, out west, and Hillary walked all over him in the votes, getting nearly half the total, which, when compared to the Democrat/Republican split of the voters, is as close to a landslide as a Democrat can hope for.
Meanwhile, as to “the doing of NYC,” please recall that the man who was SUPPOSED to be Hillary’s Republican challenger is the current Mayor of New York City. Clearly, the Big Apple can go, and has gone, Republican.
Ah. My good friend Major Feelgud once again demonstrates that his grasp of politics is, well, negligible.
Those of us who follow the news before we post on subjects know that Hillary was called a “carpetbagger” when she first entered the New York senate race. Because she is incredibly hard-working, and ten times more intelligent than anyone Feelgud is likely to meet out in Pigshit, USA, she persuaded the voters of New York state to put aside this legitimate, but hardly insurmountable objection.
Feelgud, you may hold a rigidly narrow view of the world, in which a senator’s duties are limited to bringing home pork for the benefit of local corporate campaign contributors. But, for most Americans, aware of the world beyond the curve of their navels, the US Senate is a national body in which the representatives of individual states legislate affairs of national and international prominence. States have governers and state legislatures to deal with mainly local issues.
Hence, the ultimate question for New Yorkers was, would Hillary make a good US senator. As someone else has already pointed out, Guiliani would not have defeated Hillary. Indeed, Guiliani’s departure from the race was widely perceived as a potential problem for Hillary’s campaign: since no one knew Lazio, he would be able to run against Hillary rather than for himself. That strategy backfired since Lazio was, in the end, unable to conceal his own plentiful shortcomings; and since irrational Hillary hatred (in effect, misogyny mixed with the worst kind of rabid anti-Clinton ravings) has, thank heavens, its limits.
Speaking of the worst kind of Clinton ravings, I am wondering, Major, what precisely you mean by the name “Cliton”? Is this just a typo on your part, caused, perhaps, by the damage to brain functions of speaking incessant, ignorant twaddle for years on end? Or do you get a hard-on fantasizing about Hillary’s clit?
I just wanted to clarify. It’s obvious that you are a hardcore wanker; but it’s always nice to know what gets a guy like you going.
Mandelstam: You are a fuck-ass jerkoff with gnorrhea infected tampons for brains.
First my first question was strictly non-partisan, so fuck you.
Now that we put our personal feelings out of the way, may you be so kind as to answer this question without any insults:
“…the US Senate is a national body in which the representatives of individual states legislate affairs of national and international prominence. States have governers and state legislatures to deal with mainly local issues.”
In that case, why bother with 2 from each state? Why not the 50 shrewdest statesman in America? I’m not saying this as a knock on Montana, but 2 more Senators from CA or NY are going to be more politically savvy than the 2 from Montana, right? That’s if we talking about 2 from Montana born and bred.
Maybe you’re right, our Founding Fathers said “Well, lets have 2 guys from each state, oh yeah, it doesn’t matter if they’ve actually lived there or not, just as long as they have a house there it’s OK.”
Feelgud, my friend, you truly are in class by yourself.
Excuse me if I failed to realize that when you posted about Hillary “Cliton” in the Pit, your actual goal was to win the Nobel Peace Prize for your Mother Theresa-like demeanor.
May I add that usually people as obnoxious, biased and foul-mouthed as you are make some semblance of knowing what they’re talking about. When they don’t know their ass from their elbow–when they simply are soliciting information from the more knowledgeable–they generally do so in a neutral setting while using neutral language.
You are possibly the only person in cyberspace who simultaneously admits that he is a virtual moron on a subject while making inflammatory remarks to those who know more.
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Now that we put our personal feelings out of the way, may you be so kind as to answer this question without any insults:
…Maybe you’re right, our Founding Fathers said “Well, lets have 2 guys from each state, oh yeah, it doesn’t matter if they’ve actually lived there or not, just as long as they have a house there it’s OK.” **
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Fair-minded, non-partisan Feelgud, you will perhaps have neglected to notice, in your elevated consideration of my original post, that I said that Hillary had been called a carpetbagger. I also said that was a legitimate but not insurmountable objection to her candidacy. The voters of New York State seemed to have preferred this intelligent, hard-working out-of-towner to the talentless Republican Long Islander she ran against. Were you not so strictly non-partisan I would point out to you that the more you insist upon the problems of a carpetbagging senator, the more you prove that the Republican Party just couldn’t come up with a decent candidate.
Jeez, Feelgud, have some pity on yourself. The US government runs a few discussion sites for fifth graders and their mental peers.
Flymaster said:
It does happen occasionally, though I believe the last Republican mayor was elected in 1965. (John Lindsey (sp?), who was reelected as an independent.) But…did Pataki get a majority out of NYC, and are a majority of state senators from the city Republican? I don’t know the answers to those questions, but I’d bet the answer to both is no.
Mandelstam said:
and Major Feelgud said:
On behalf of all of us out here in Pigshit, USA, let me cordially invite bothof you arrogant assholes to go fuck yourselves. Meanwhile, I’ll try to find out which true NYC pol last served as president–Chester A. Arthur in 1885, wasn’t it?
Now, now MysterEcks. There’s no need to take my little bit of humor at the Major’s expense personally. Why, for all you know, Pigshit is a suburb in Northern New Jersey. As for the Major, I think you’ll find he’s from North Dakota. Or so he once said in one of his generally unmemorable posts.
I may well be be an arrogant asshole but I am very particular about the company I keep. In the future if you would be so kind as to never to lump me together with a simpleton like Feelgud, I will remember that you hail from Buttfuck, USA. A lovely part of the country to be sure.
Mandelstam: I’ll take you more seriously when you use your other or regular alias to post.
Major: when I first posted here about three weeks ago you asked me if I was concealing some prior identity. I told you then and I’ll tell you again now that I’m entirely new to this website; though not a “newbie” in other any sense.
If you’re wondering how I know you’re from ND, it’s because you said so yourself in the thread about Gore being a sore loser. If you’re wondering why I haven’t posted in three weeks, it’s because I’ve been too busy. If you’re wondering why I seem to be singling you out, it’s b/c you piss me off in just the right way. Call it chemistry. I have very strong political convictions; you tend to sound off on politics. If Beelzabub, or some of the other fools who crossed my path on the Gore thread were posting here I’d be flaming them too.
Anyway, wouldn’t you recognize the style of my postings if I were lurking under some double secret identity? Sure, if I wanted to I could spar with you under ten different monikers, but what would be the purpose? And why would I go to so much trouble when it’s simple enough to give you a hard time just using one?!
Quit watching the X-files. There is no conspiracy here against you. And if there is something particular you want to know about me personally, you are more than welcome to ask.
Sincerely, Mandelstam
Mandelstam said:
Yeah? You know, I was gonna take a shot at your opposition for posting an accusation that you were a sock with nothing to back it up–a continuation from his other Pit thread, in a way. But then I decided to do a little research–did you realize we know how to do research out here in Buttfuck? (And, yes, it isa lovely part of the country.)
It seems the company you keep on this board is Major Feelgud’s. You post almost exclusively to his Pit threads–18 out of your 20 posts so far, with a couple posts in another Pit thread. In short, you appear to exist here only because you have a hard-on for the Major. Isn’t thatinteresting?
Well, I guess that depends on what you call interesting.
I think I’ve already explained that I mainly like to debate politics and that Major Feelgud–whatever his other limitations–has a tendency to raise my attention in this area. I suppose you could call that a hard-on. Also, if you look at those posts more carefully you’ll find that the Major was the only cold warrior who consistently took the bait. This has left me a certain affection for his style of warped, narrow-minded, self-congratulatory Republicanism.
Speaking of hard-ons, I find it sort of interesting that it hasn’t occured to either of you Pigshitters that it’s just possible that I am a woman.
Mandelstam: Drop the fucking pretense and confess that you love me! Let’s meet under the big tree in the park. I have to be on top though. Da?
MysterEcks: It is interesting that the only 2 times Mandelstam has shown up so far has been when I’ve posted political rants. Is it coincidence that Mandelstam never appeared otherwise? His knowledge of SD html is also too good to be a newbie, even if he said he was well versed in cyberdebate. Besides, it’s just his guilt that made him start a new topic. Part of my job includings catching frauds and spotting fraudulent behavior and lies.
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**Mandelstam: Drop the fucking pretense and confess that you love me! Let’s meet under the big tree in the park. I have to be on top though. **
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Ummm…
Only if you wear a PVC harness. Oh, and do they have parks in Pigshit?
**“MysterEcks: It is interesting that the only 2 times Mandelstam has shown up so far has been when I’ve posted political rants. Is it coincidence that Mandelstam never appeared otherwise?” **
No, it it is NOT a coincidence. For the very last time: call me predictable. I don’t have much interest in arguing about anything other than politics. (The sometimes exception being popular culture, as “My First Rant” will attest.)
** “His knowledge of SD html is also too good to be a newbie, even if he said he was well versed in cyberdebate. Besides, it’s just his guilt that made him start a new topic. Part of my job includings catching frauds and spotting fraudulent behavior and lies.” **
Major, if I didn’t know better I’d think I was online with G. Gordon Liddy. Get over this delusion. I am not a fraudulent sockpuppet. For the record, I am also not Elvis Presley, Jim Morrison or Jimmy Hoffa.
Also–although I know that subject is “immaterial” to a bipartisan New Man such as yourself–I am not, for the record, a man.
AuntiePam, if you’re reading this, that means that you’d better come up with a better insult than, “Prick.” (Delightful though it is to be called one by someone as gracious as your eloquent self.)
Good night Major.
mandel- i want to point out, that in no way am I calling you a 'sock-puppet", but it IS rather unusual for a newbie to jump right on here in the PIT, and do nothing but flame. So- you’re just a real angry guy, with nothing really positive to ask or input? You would rather flame? Ok, go ahead, and please let me step out of your way if you’re gonna flame feelgud.
No offence intended, DITWD, but I think this may be the greatest understatment I have ever read, amigo 
Its about as wide assed as Calista Flockhart.
in regards to the OP: The best candidate won the race, you are moaning about Hillary not being from NYS, and you call Al Gore a sore loser?
With all due respect (and it ain’t much) NY state is basically NYC
As a rule, people from up-state New York will usually say that they are from Up State New York, as if it were a seperate state to disassociate themselves from the city. As a mater of fact, in the Adirondacks, there have been times where there has been significant support for separating from New York state and becoming a part of Vermont. People
The fact that Upstate may not wish to be associated with NYC is completely irrelevant. There are people that live there. One cannot win an election without getting their votes. They are usually more conservative in general than people in the city. These votes would normally have gone for Lazio, but he made almost no effort to keep them.
Yes, it’s unusual to jump right in, fur flying. And flaming Feelgud was my main sport, largely b/c of his lame style and ignorant content. I guess I can understand why this began to look nefarious to him and a few others when I returned a second time on this thread.
But “just a real angry guy, with nothing really positive to ask or input”? That’s just not true. You may not be interested in what I have asked and what I have input–for all I know you haven’t even read it. Listening to people like Feelgud on, say, talk radio (which I hardly ever do) makes me pretty angry. Knowing that liars and distorters are on the TV, on the air and in the newspaper columns while the same liars and distorters insist that the media has a “liberal bias” entirely pisses me off. If I am “real angry” that’s probably the reason; and you will understand, perhaps, that Feelgud is a perfect target for someone like me since he’s so accessible, so utterly uninformed, so ready to hold forth without a single clue.
I am also not a guy.
What ARE you people smoking? And can I get some? I don’t have census data in front of me, but IIRC, non-NYCers outnumber NYCers in New York. So if you want to make this absurd generalization, it would be better to say that NY state doesn’t include NYC.
As for upstaters wanting to secede, bah, it’s just a few cranks. The interests of non-NYCers are well-represented in New York’s government, and non-NYCers are well aware that NYC is the economic engine of the state. If nothing else, people outside the city wouldn’t want to pay the wage tax that would be imposed if they lived in a different state from NYC.
As for the political split between the city and the rest of the state, it actually works out in the state’s favor - New York usually ends up with centrist leaders.
Sua
Rambler, has it ever occurred to you that people say they’re from Upstate New York to distinguish themselves from New York City b/c it’s confusing? The name of the city is, after all, New York, New York. Similarly, people who live in Washington DC and people who live in Washington state (the one near California) always have to explain this difference to people from other places, including people from New York, New York. Then there’s the fact that people from Manhattan are often very eager to tell you that they are not from Brooklyn, the Bronx or Queens (much less Staten Island!) and that these places aren’t really New York City, though they would hardly qualify for Upstate New York. And also the fact that Upstate New York, to some people’s minds, begins so close to the New York City border that it might as well be in New Jersey.
My point: I don’t think we’re on the verge of a civil war between Upstate New York and New York City. The divide you describe exists between almost every major city and the rural parts of the state: viz. Philadelphia and the rest of Pennsylvania; Chicago and the rest of Illinois. Similar divides exist all over the world. Relax and go back to sleep.