Lion vs Tiger

cmyk · September 15, 2012, 11:03pm

And, to add, this is nothing to say of how they’d fight if in space or on the moon. But, of course, first things first…

Anduril · September 15, 2012, 11:11pm

Now I’m getting some idea of what you’re talking about. A few more cites might just clear it up completely for me.

cmyk · September 15, 2012, 11:13pm

There are no cites of a tiger vs. lion fight in space. Yet…

Unless you mean more terrestrial examples, than I concur.

Indian · September 16, 2012, 2:25am

One relevant question is " will the lion still win on a conveyor belt"?

cmyk · September 16, 2012, 2:33am

No, but certainly a treadmill.

Indian · September 16, 2012, 2:34am

Shagnasty · September 16, 2012, 3:30am

cmyk:

I’ll concede we simply need more research and study of this issue. The cites here so far are really scant and paltry (but not for lack of effort on part of the OP). OTOH, I think even a simple comparison of a lion’s binocular ratio to that of a tiger’s gives it an advantage in optical sensory and higher awareness of its surroundings than a tiger. I’ll confess, I’m a hard-core Lioninst (we call ourselves “Prides” or Priders"). But the tiger wouldn’t even be able to sneak up on a lion in the wild.

And this is nothing to say of it’s unique mane that protects the lion’s main arteries from the vicious tiger bite. This is leaving out the lioness, but if the male survives, it’s not an issue. The tiger’s all aggression, no finesse. A Tyson to Mohammad Ali, if you will.

Point taken but a tiger is more cunning and has more body mass. A tiger is almost as smart as an indigenous human child raised in the same habitat. Your comparison would be more fair if it was about the love child of Steven Hawking and Andre the Giant (the tiger) against a grade school bully (the lion)

Cite:

Point Tiger! Match! Game!!!

Did I mention my high school mascot was the Tigers? The choice of Lions as a mascot never came up and for good reason. It would be ridiculous when you have a superior feline available as a choice.

cmyk · September 16, 2012, 3:50am

My home baseball team is the Detroit Tigers, and home football, the Lions. Yet, I still give it to the lion because I find Mac OSX Lion to be superior to Mac OSX Tiger. How do you think I was able to format my cites into hyperlinks? Mac OSX Lion.

It’s just science.

Indian · September 16, 2012, 4:00am

My Lord has provided hundreds of citations to prove that lions have a statistical advantage over tigers. Please read through all of them and do a point to point rebuttal.

I was a skeptic, but My Lord has convinced me that lions are superior. And please note he is not against tigers.

He even challenged a renowned biologist.

Or else,

We can ask My Lord to provide some more citations, if that is going to convince you.

cmyk · September 16, 2012, 4:22am

I really wonder where Romney and Obama stand on the whole Lion vs. Tiger controversy. Depending on their stance, it could seriously affect my vote come November.

I prey this is addressed in the upcoming presidential debates.

cmyk · September 16, 2012, 10:32pm

rawwwr!

My_Lord · September 17, 2012, 4:13am

10,000 views XD

Just maybe this thread will get more than the sticky poll in views…intresting?

cmyk · September 17, 2012, 6:12am

It’s the king of the threads!

Viva la Lionists!

My_Lord · September 17, 2012, 7:29am

I found a few more artifacts that I added to the list, I have to triple check it later, because if theres any repeated ones I will flush it out an remove it. But some almost look the same but they are from different eras, an by detail you can see that one has the tail facing up or down or side ways, or others have the head face paws all on different placements, you cant really do that with metal an ceramic type sculpturing, once the artifact is made then its permanant…so I will check them again when I have time…

Enjoy

Here’s a few documented Historical Artifact’s an Sculpture’s that are mostly in
museum’s, portraying the lion winning against the tiger, an each has a back story if you care to look them up and apperntly they would have to have seen the incident, to etch it or sculpture it an these are from different people from Rome, to India, to Britain, to China all portraying the same thing the lion having the winning course of 50-1,000 year old historical artifact’s here…

http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af316/NIHONTOAUSTRALIA/EBAY%2003%2009%202011/DSC09790.jpg
55. http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/Images/2009_07/25/0283/660081/cc7fda06-eaf7-43b2-af13-fe609a6305cb_g_96.Jpeg
56. http://www.finerareprints.com/animals/gervais/17281.jpg
57.http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/8/4/1/7/7/webimg/543364200_tp.jpg
58. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W2x95hbQiGA/ToI5Xm_U8TI/AAAAAAAAF8c/eUCiToB-spc/s1600/ringbrooch.jpg
59. http://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/lostjunglelobby.JPG
60. https://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/14300116/2/stock-photo-14300116-lion-tiger-and-traveller.jpg
61. http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAyNFg3Njg=/$(KGrHqR,!hwE7D(MyEe4BO4()y6Mgg~~60_35.JPG
62. http://p2.la-img.com/867/21134/7214125_1_l.jpg
63. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/23576/23576-h/images/quads054.jpg

cmyk · September 17, 2012, 7:52am

Excellent work. I have to say, for myself, this convinces me almost beyond any shadow of doubt that a sculpted lion can take on a sculpted tiger almost every time.

Unfortunately, I couldn’t go through the entire list of cites, as my left-mouse button finally shattered under the stress of clicking the links when I got somewhere into the 50s. But I think what I saw was sufficient to finally put this side of “fictional lion vs. tiger depictions” to rest.

Yet, so much more ground to cover still. sigh

ETA: Although, taking a closer look, this one, seems to me the lion and tiger are totally making out. Might need to remove this one since it might be an example of lion/tiger fetishism.

My_Lord · September 17, 2012, 8:30am

I can assure you, almost 70% of them are joined an linked with an account, here I’ll show you one of there full blown abstracts they are linked with…
31’st of March, 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” (“Landshut Newspaper”)

A drama at the Ganges.

I’ll tell of one of these terrible fights, one you wouldn’t see again in a hundred years, a scene of blood and death that forever will haunt my mind. […] The lion and his rival, the tiger, need air and space in great quantity. Here, and only here, are they really able to live and to rule. […] (A long description of lions and tigers and how fierce both of them are, the actual event follows now) A Malayan slave ran towards us and shouted: “Lion! Lion! Down there, at the river! It’s a big, fierce lion!”

“One more reason to take shelter in the house,” continued the colonel. “Come, my friends, take the weapons! The lion is a troublesome guest.”

We closed the house’s doors; the slaves got weapons and guarded the basement. We, to welcome this guest admirably, climbed up to the gallery from which we could overlook the Ganges. An unusually big lion walked haughtily down there, not looking around as he does when he has to fight an opponent, but instead ambling slowly and thoughtfully like a philosopher, he walked there. He stopped from time to time to rest a minute, and then continued majestically his way. Under a magnificent palm, he stopped, turned around two times, and finally lay down in the shadow. This was the rest of a magnificent ruler that had nothing to fear from any adversary. He rested easily, as do those who have made no enemies.

Scarcely ten minutes had the lion lain there, when suddenly, he jumped up as though struck by lightning, roaring very deeply and scratching the ground with both hind legs, as though challenging an adversary. He lowered his head and, in a single bound, jumped at the palm’s stem to look about, to the right and left. Then he jumped down to ground to wait again, and his gaze lingered at one particular spot on the horizon.

“An enemy seems to approach,” the colonel said, “a terrible enemy, if we look at the lion’s reaction. I predict that it will be a fierce fight, and many rich people would pay a great sum to see it if they were here right now.”

“And why,” I asked, “don’t they stage some fights from time to time, if they would pay so much?”

“Because what we have here is very rare. The lion won’t fight against a human but against a fierce animal, one as strong as he himself, such as a rhinoceros, an elephant, or a tiger.”

“A tiger! It’s really a tiger!” one of us shouted pointing a finger at the dangerous beast which jumped in huge leaps towards the lion. It was breathtaking, our eyes wandered from the lion to the tiger and from the tiger to the lion. The lion still was lurking. It was a terrible spectacle and we wagered who will win. Now they stood eyeball to eyeball with each other. They’d seen each other and wouldn’t leave unless one of them was lying dead at the ground. The tiger was unbelievably huge and beautiful with his long black stripes distributed all over his yellowish body. His fearful eyes seemed to burn, his head was lowered. We stood, at the most, 200 feet away. The sun shone brightly, so we could see their every move. I don’t think I have to mention that our hearts were in our mouths. The tiger closed in on the lion, but the lion remained calm. In the latter, we could see the force of the calmness in his powerful position; in the tiger, one could believe to see the violent tension of someone who has the impudence to disrespect a close danger, one who had the will to assault it. We could see a certain twitch in his legs, but he wasn’t about to flee. Did the crouching tiger want to kill the lion? I believe it did, and I admire the royal tiger’s courage, he would rather lie down in a burning furnace than be accused of cowardice!

The lion had not moved at all, but we could see what was happening inside him by looking at his erected mane. From time to time, his countenance suggested a submissive gesture. But he, the king of animals, didn’t want to show any fear, but rather boldness, to his opponent. A duel was now inevitable. For the tiger it may be a glorious day, but for the lion it was certainly a festive day.

With one leap, they could grab, bite, tear each other; with one leap they’d jump over the space of 20 feet that separated them from each other. Then, they leaped! The crash equaled the crash of two ships in a tempest! We could hear the bones breaking under the weight of their terrible paws, we could see chunks of flesh falling to the ground. They made no sound, but their gruff moaning indicated their rage and pain. Neither showed superiority and we wondered who would win. If the lion were to think that he had overpowered the tiger, the latter could earn the victory with a single move, shattering the surprised lion.

The fight now lasted 10 minutes, and suddenly, as if they came to an agreement, both loosened their grip to gain their breath again. It was the motionlessness of the rage, but it was the calmness of the king. A few moments later, an unexpected incident which resurrected the fight took place: The tiger, which saw not only his defeat but also his death, used the moment. While his opponent was licking his wounded hind leg, he leaped 10 feet up the palm’s stem and stayed there. The lion looked around and couldn’t see his foe anymore; he roared, looked upwards, and he jumped at the tiger. But in this position it was impossible to continue the fight. They knew that only one of them would survive. The tiger jumped down and the lion followed him, but his leg caused him to shiver. A long fight wasn’t possible any more. Their claws were blunted, their jaws were tired, and they had lost much blood.

The fighters’ jaws were wedged in each other as they bit at each others’ heads; we could feel the bones crushing. Suddenly the tiger retreated, wavered and fell down. The lion seized him with his terrible paws and it seemed like he wanted to punish the defeated opponent for his resistance.

He didn’t loosen his grip, the merciless king of the forest, the feared lord of the wilderness; he tore the tiger apart, he crushed its skull. Suddenly a crocodile appeared out of the river. It seized the lion at his injured hind leg and dragged him into the water. The only remains of this fight were the dead tiger under the palm and some read streams of blood on the water surface.

Translated into English by Leofwin.
Landshuter Zeitung: niederbayerisches Heimatblatt für Stadt und Land ... - Google Books

You see that account^^^ its from the same German newspaper archive of same era story of this artifact…
http://www.kunstkopie.de/kunst/ferdinand_victor_eugene_delacr/kampf_loewe_tiger_hi.jpg

I can or could format everything with there accounts later, but that would take heap of motion, but I kinda like it better in its own catagorie of collective artifacts, but I’ll keep that in mind to maybe format them as a whole abstract and present them that way.

Anduril · September 17, 2012, 9:00am

I’m convinced. I cannot hold on to my cherished worldview in the face of such a deluge of cites. I give in. Lions kill more tigers than vice versa.

I did ask for more cites and they were given. I needed to pay up in terms of capitulation. I suggest everybody should do the same.

My_Lord · September 17, 2012, 9:26am

Well, I dont want you to think any less of the tiger…the tiger is a warrior an is second to none in what he does as a predator. My goal was not to intice others into like-ing the lion more or say that a lion would always beat a tiger. lol No, I was just trying to find out the truth an get the lion back into at-least having people admit that it can go no less than 50/50 with both sides in terms of a 1 on 1.

Since the internet is flooded with properganda, false an random data more in shine-ing a light on Bias idlelizations of tigers should be superior for selfish reasons…I just felt the need to explain in an educational way that it should be…an I’d like to be recongized that 50/50 is as good as it gets.

But I’m glad you all read threw most an enjoyed reading up on a few creditable cites. But theres still so much to learn.

Indian · September 17, 2012, 9:35am

My_Lord:

Well, I dont want you to think any less of the tiger…the tiger is a warrior an is second to none in what he does as a predator. My goal was not to intice others into like-ing the lion more or say that a lion would always beat a tiger. lol No, I was just trying to find out the truth an get the lion back into at-least having people admit that it can go no less than 50/50 with both sides in terms of a 1 on 1.

Since the internet is flooded with properganda, false an random data more in shine-ing a light on Bias idlelizations of tigers should be superior for selfish reasons…I just felt the need to explain in an educational way that it should be…an I’d like to be recongized that 50/50 is as good as it gets.

But I’m glad you all read threw most an enjoyed reading up on a few creditable cites. **But theres still so much to learn. **

You mean you have more cites still?

My_Lord · September 17, 2012, 9:38am

lol Dam my fingers, an dam this no editing thingy…sorry my typos are pretty funny…I see I said… I’d like to be recongnized…what its missing is

I’d like it<----

as in the data to be recongnized…not me…geez one missing word an it can look rather silly XD

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Translated into English by Leofwin. Landshuter Zeitung: niederbayerisches Heimatblatt für Stadt und Land ... - Google Books

You see that account^^^ its from the same German newspaper archive of same era story of this artifact… http://www.kunstkopie.de/kunst/ferdinand_victor_eugene_delacr/kampf_loewe_tiger_hi.jpg

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Translated into English by Leofwin.
Landshuter Zeitung: niederbayerisches Heimatblatt für Stadt und Land ... - Google Books

You see that account^^^ its from the same German newspaper archive of same era story of this artifact…
http://www.kunstkopie.de/kunst/ferdinand_victor_eugene_delacr/kampf_loewe_tiger_hi.jpg