Lissa Goes to Prison

After seven years with my husband, I finally consented to visit his workplace. He’s Deputy Warden at a medium-security prison, which has a population of about 2,500.

He asked me last night because he knew I had today off of work. I demurred. I’m a little afraid of inmates, and secondly, I don’t like people staring at me, and any young woman entering a prison will be in a fishbowl. “We have puppies you can play with in my office,” he offered. That did it. I agreed to come.

I entered at the Visitor’s Gate. The room was filled with about two dozen people, waiting to visit inmates, of all races and socio-economic backgrounds. A charmingly fat toddler stood in the aisle as I passed, wobbling on her feet as she tried to look up at me. I smiled and spoke to her, wondering if her father was the inmate they were here to visit.

At the desk, I presented my ID when requested, and placed my purse in a tray to be searched. I had already removed any medications and other contraband. The officer asked me if I had a cell phone, which I didn’t. (Cell phones cannot enter.) I was sent through a metal detector and issued a Visitor’s pass. My hand was stamped with invisible ink.

An escort waited by the door, and asked me to follow him. “Careful of your fingers,” he said to me. “We had an officer lose a finger in this door last month.” I shoved my hands into my pockets. The door buzzed, and he pulled it open. We stepped into a tiny room where my hand stamp and ID were checked again by the woman behind the glass. There was a clunk, and a set of keys appeared in a revolving metal tray-- my escort had had to surrender them before entering the building where he met me.

The door buzzed, and we went outside. There was a long corridor in front of us, formed by a fence topped with razor wire on either side. It led to a large brick building. Inside, my ID and hand stamp were checked again.

My husband met me in the hall. The walls were crumbly and worn-looking, but the floor shone like glass. He led me to a small waiting area with worn wing chairs. An inmate stood in front of them with a puppy on a leash. I immediately forgot my nervousness and started petting the dog. The inmate, speaking to my husband, said the dog’s name was Lucy, and detailed the different tricks he’d taught her. Lucy kept turning back to him for assurance, and he rubbed her back fondly. You could see the affection they had for one another.

“Would you like to play with her while we wait for our transport?” Hubby asked. He politely told the inmate to wait where he was, and took the leash. We went down the hall to his office.

I felt a little strange at this-- I was taking the man’s dog away, and he had to remain where he was told until I had finished playing. Of course, this is why the inmates raise the puppies, so the public can adopt them, but it still felt odd, like I was violating some unnamed ettiquette norm.

As we walked down the hall, everyone we met, staff and inmate alike stopped in their tracks and put their backs to the wall until we had passed, as if to give us more room. The hall was wide enough for six men to walk abreast, so it struck me as overkill. My husband greeted both staff and inmates alike, asking how they were doing.

I played with the pup in his office until his secretary pushed her head in the door and told us that our “Gator” was available. This turned out to be a golf cart. The puppy was handed off to a guard who took it to return it to his trainer. Again, I felt a little unsure, like I should have returned the pup myself and thanked the inmate, but everyone acted as if this were the norm. When in Rome, I told myself.

We drove across the compound, past the dorms and chapel to the factory buildings. Inmates lounged on the yard, and loitered near the entrances of buildings. Some were playing basketball, or running on the track, but most just sat. It was too hot for much activity.

The factory was explosively hot. On the second floor, the inmates were making mattresses. I squeezed the foam padding as we passed-- very dense. Hubby explained that the State had decided to issue new matresses which have the pillows built in, rather than the old, seperate, bedding. The new matresses are supposed to last longer. I leaned my elbows down onto one of them, and pronounced it as hard as a rock.

They were also making mattresses for college dorms, and as I marvelled at one of the sticthing machines, the inmate came over, unbidden, to demonstrate how it worked. They must be used to showing the factory to visitors.

Downstairs, they were making office chairs. It looked just like any other factory in the world, with workers seated at tables, busily stitching fabric seats. Fans were running full blast, but all they seemed to do was push the hot air around. I wondered how they could stand it.

We went next to the truck factory. They finish detailing trucks for road crews, and also make transport vehicles for prisons. My husband put me in one of the transport trucks which has a cage built into it to segregate the inmates. When it was closed, it was an extremely tight fit-- and I’m only 5’4", 119 lbs.

We walked back through the shop, boxes of scap metal here and there. “It’s a security nightmare,” Hubby said, “All this metal lying around . . . .”

We went next to the dining hall. It was much like any other cafeteria, but the seats were bolted to the floor. In the food service area, a metal shield kept the server from seeing whose tray he was filling. Hubby said it’s called “blind feeding” but the new Director has demanded the shields come down because it’s “too impersonal.”

“But I would think that being impersonal would be a good thing,” I said, “Because they can’t mess with an enemy’s food if they don’t know who is getting each tray.”

“Nor can they be pressured into giving extra portions,” Hubby countered. “But the Director wants it changed, so that’s what will happen.”

It was incredibly hot and steamy in the kitchen. Giant vats of water boiled with ears of corn bobbing inside. Huge ovens with racks inside baked burritos, and mixers the size of washtubs churned the batter for desert.

We went into the chapel after that. It has a Christian non-demoninational chapel room, and a Catholic chapel. Services for smaller sects are performed in small rooms to the side. In the Catholic chapel, an inmate sat with a rosary, praying. He must have been devout, because the chapel was as hot as an oven. Off to the side was a tiny room in which the priest prepares the holy water in a stainless-steel sink. It had a locking cover engraved with a cross. The need for a lock got my imagination running.

The imam of the Islamic inmates was standing in the hall. He greeted my husband in Arabic, and my husband replied in the same language. (He said later that it meant, “Peace be with you” and “And also with you.”) He had a question to ask him, and as they spoke, I browsed through the rack of tracts against the wall. Many of them were well-thumbed and worn, apparently having passed through many hands.

As we left, the air outside felt wonderful. I commented on the heat, and Hubby said there are plans in the works to air-condition the chapel. “You’ll get more customers that way,” I said, smiling. “There’ll be a rush to go to church since it’s the only cool place they have access to.”

“Well, you know the preacher likes the cold,” Hubby joked, and I giggled.

We were stopped about a dozen times as we drove around, by inmates who had requests. Hubby seemed to be on good terms with most of the people on the yard, at least to speak a greeting. I eyed the dogs who were being walked by their trainers. In the school building, Hubby stopped by an elderly inmate who was obviously distressed by the heat, leaning into a fan. He put a hand on the man’s shoulder, and said, “Okay, buddy?” The man nodded.

We visited the power plant, but briefly because of the heat, and then went to one of the housing units.

It was a long, narrow room, filled with bunk beds, which seemed very close together. Near the door, there were four rows of benches, on which about five inmates sat, watching “Judge Judy”. Inmates lay on the beds, their arms cast over their eyes, or curled on their sides. Some had small plastic fans attatched to the end rails, and large fans sat at the ends of the aisles. The heat was sickening.

I saw a glimpse of their bathroom, but quickly looked away. There is very little privacy. No doors-- just partitions which don’t go to the floor, and only go about chest-height up.

We went into the dorm manager’s office. It was cold, compared to where we’d just been-- air conditioned to the point of being icy. The manager was actually wearing a jacket. I wonder what the inmates, who can see her through the door, must think of that.

Back in his office, Hubby showed me the inmate cable. It carries the four networks, an institutional information channel, and a channel on which they run approved movies. Most of the time, when I saw inmates watching TV, it was tuned to a soap opera or court show. Hubby said the inmates LOVE the court shows, especially “Judge Judy.”

All in all, it was very interesting. My general impression was that it was quite clean and orderly, but ugly and worn. The heat was the worst of it-- Hubby said sometimes the dorms go over 100 degrees in the summer.

I’ll have to go back, because there were a couple of areas I didn’t get to see, considering I was feeling a bit ill from the heat. Leaving, I was checked, again, three times to see that my hand-stamp and ID were valid.

When I got home, I was awed by my house. Cool, well-lit and spacious. My livingroom is bigger than one of the dormitaries I visited.

But… But… But where’s the sex scene. I was waiting for the pre-requisite *Lissa has sex in jail * scene. :smiley:

Interesting stuff. Thanks for posting it.

Lissa, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it here again - thank you for fighting ignorance about the realities of prison life. Obviously you’re not going to have a detailed understanding of everything second hand and from day visits, but it’s still more than many of us really have.

I have a couple of questions:

First, regarding the powerplant, who runs it? Is it run by the prisoners, or by state employees?

Second, how well heated are the facilities come winter? I’m part polar bear, myself, and hate summer for the heat, but I really see the need to provide a safe haven against the cold of winter as being the most important thermal concern with any housing. A/C is a luxury, heat isn’t.

Third, how long do the prisoners have to train the puppies? Are they being trained as pre-seeing eye or hearing dogs? Or just for regular pets?
Thanks again for the information.

If there’s a less sexy place on earth, I’d be surprised to hear of it. It’s rather dreary-- bare, white walls, brown tiled floors, worn surfaces . . . It was all quite clean, but as ugly as only an old institution worn by the movements of thousands and thousands of people can be.

All of the factories and facilities are run by inmates with staff supervisors. The inmates also do most of the institution building’s upkeep labor, including maintenance.

Mostly, it’s warm, but there are some buildings which are colder than others. The whole place is heated by steam (made by the power plant on site) and some of the pipes are really old. (It’s almost 100 years old.)

Until they are adopted, or go to the guide dog school.

Both. The really smart or super-obedient dogs go up to the seeing-eye-dog school, which is in a nearby city. The ordinary dogs are adopted by the community. Some of the dogs haven’t been adopted yet and have been there for a long time.

They’re all dogs rescued from local shelters. The pups and young dogs the shelters can’t adopt out (and are about to be put down) are offered to the prison. The prison can only accept a certain number of dogs, of course, but they have pretty good turn-over, and the program has had very few problems.

Another thank-you for your wonderful observations on such a not-so-nice topic. May I ask what state this prison is located, or more specifically, what prison?

Very interesting OP! It reminded me of a book I read a while ago, titled (:: searches Amazon ::) “You Got Nothing Coming: Notes From a Prison Fish” by Jimmy A. Lerner. A very engrossing and eye-opening look at what prison life looks like from the inside. I highly recommend it.

I’d prefer not . . . . I try to avoid giving georgaphic or identifying details as much as possible on the internet.

Suffice it to say that we’re in the Midwest.

That was interesting. Thanks for posting it.

Do you ever watch any of the prison documentaries on cable? I’d be interested to know if you or your husband think they’re accurate.

Sorry Lissa, but I’m a bit amazed that you’ve been married for 7 years and never seen his workplace before. Was this your choice, or his? And do you share about your work at home, or is it all very compartmentalized?

My husband was actually in a documentary about a prison-- not the one in which he works currently. Other than his, I’ve only seen a couple, so I can’t answer fully.

I know that the one filmed in his prison was somewhat biased and innacurate. They utilized some very creative editing, in some instances tacking answers from one question onto another. This film, though, obviously had an agenda. The other two documentaries I’ve seen have been relatively straight-forward presentations of what a day in the life of an inmate is like. Each prison varies, so I can’t swear they’re accurate, but they didn’t try to make things worse than they actually are.
I wanted to add something about the dog program. I asked some questions about what happens to the unwanted dogs, ones which never get adopted. He told me that this had happened once.

The dog was a German Shepard mix, and was with a particular inmate for more than three years. Unfortunately, though, the dog started getting protective of the inmate and territorial about his bunk. This was brought to Hubby’s attention, and he concluded the dog had to leave the prison. The rules stipulate that if a dog shows any signs of aggression, it has to leave, and would most likely end up back in the pound.

The inmate protested when he was told. He had tried to correct this behavior, but, as he said, “It’s a dog. Dogs are like that.” He didn’t think she would ever hurt anyone, but Hubby told him it was a chance they couldn’t take. The inmate asked if he could have a few more weeks with the dog before she was sent out, and Hubby agreed.

A few days later, he started getting “kites” (inmate’s letters and complaint forms to staff) from inmates who lived in the dog trainer’s saying they needed to talk to him about the dog. Hubby groaned inwardly-- he was sure they were going to plead with him to change his mind. Though he could have ignored them, or brushed them off, he agreed to have them come in.

“Sir, you know that [inmate] is very fond of that dog. It means a lot to him, and it’s a good dog, sir, it really is,” one of them said.

Hubby said he believed that. He’d met the dog, and said he had dogs, too-- he knows how dogs act. He explained the rule, and said if, God forbid, the dog bit anyone, no one would be allowed to have dogs any more.

“That’s not it, sir. See, we called around, and found one of his family members who would take it. So, we all want to send money to the family to pay for the adoption fees and its food. You gotta approve it, though, cause they’re not on our visiting lists.”

Hubby was able to get them to be allowed to send the money, and the dog went home with the family member.

I just thought that was a sweet story.

Lissa, were you treated the same as visitors to the inmates were? I’m surprised that you weren’t physically searched by the guards before you were allowed to enter.

Years ago, I went with a friend to Rikers almost every weekend so she could visit a mutual acquaintance. It was sad, but strangely thrilling to be there the first time. After you left your car in the parking lot, you had to take a bus to the intake center. From there, you were bused to the visitor center. The second bus was the same one the prisoners used, so we had to sit in the “cage” behind the driver. The first thing you saw at the visitors center was an amnesty box - if you had a knife or gun, now was the time to get rid of it!
Once inside, we waited endlessly until our friend was called down. We put our pocketbooks in a locker, and then we went through a metal detector. The guards were very thorough in patting us down <shudder> - not a good memory. We went through various locked rooms before we could enter the main visiting room.
Although our friend was always glad to see us (especially the time we smuggled Nair to her in a shampoo bottle! :slight_smile: ), she always hated having to go back inside because she would be subject to a full cavity search.

All in all, we probably visited her about 40 times. It was a sad, depressing place.
If anyone cares, I could recount a few stories she used to tell us about “life on the inside”.

Well, I had been to the visitor’s building before, to drop off this or that, and I had seen his previous office, which was in that fenced-off area I described. I had never gone into the prison itself.

Yes, it was my choice. For years now, he’s coaxed me to come in for a tour, but I’ve always been frightened. I don’t like crowds, or being stared at, and a prison is certainly a place for both. I’m also afraid of the inmates-- let’s be frank. They’re not choirboys.

So, my timid nature held me back from going any farther than the safety of the building in the corridor. I am glad I finally went, but I don’t think it’s a place I’d care to visit often. I will go back at some point, because there were a couple places, like the commissary and the records office that I didn’t get to see.

As for talking about work, yes, we share completely, just like any other spouses I tell him about my day at the museum, and he tells me about the prison. Mostly, it’s office work stuff, but you never know what will happen in a day. Sometimes he’ll witness something hilarious, or scary, or surprising, or even touching, but normally, it’s just routine. He also hears all the gossip from friends who stop by the office. In short, he’s almost always good for a new story.

He tells me about incidents that happen, but never names because of the inmate’s privacy. Some day I could be subpeonaed because my husband gets sued a lot, though nothing has ever come of any of them. (It’s just part of the job, really. Everybody gets sued.)

Lissa,

 Thanks for this thread, it's one of my favorites that I've read on the boards in quite a while.   I have a couple of questions also...I'm not guessing that you know the answers fully, but you insights would be neat.

What’s the major difference between a medium-security and a high-security prison.

Do you have to be a trusted prisoner to be able to train the dogs? I’m guessing that you do.

I’d just watched the news yesterday where it was opined that a LOT of inmates have cell phones now…is that something allowed in different prisons or something smuggled in?

Oh, and I’m with OtakuLoki…I’d much rather have the cold in winter than the heat in the summer!
OOOh! In preview, I read that your husband get sued by prisoners…what kind of lawsuits can they actually bring? It seems that he’s quite a way up in the chain so just about anything that the prison is sued for would affect him…man…that’s just not right!
Thanks for the OP…

Each state is different in its visiting regulations. Prisons also vary according to security level.

Our state is very “visitor freindly.” They try to encourage families to visit as much as possible. Though many security people gnash their teeth in frustration, searches are considered to be a discouragement of that.

Thus, visitors to our prison are rarely physically searched. It’s always for cause, and, IIRC, they have to call in a State Trooper to . . . either witness, or actually do the search, I can’t remember.

The visitor can refuse to be searched, and the only penalty is suspension of visitation privledges. Only with a court order can a visitor be forcibly searched.

Now, try to see this from a security perspective. What if your friend intended to burn someone’s eyes with that stuff, or poison someone? You may know your friend is a nice girl, but the staff don’t know that.

Secondly, what if it were stolen from your friend, or someone beat her up to take it? Having something special in a prison makes you a target.

After a visit, inmates are strip-searched. They must strip to the skin, bend over and cough and allow his anal region to be looked at. They do not do a full cavity search without cause.

Lissa, I just wanted to also say thanks for sharing this stuff. With such a large percentage of our country’s population having spent time in the slammer, most of us are still woefully ignorant of what it’s really like.

Lissa - So you didn’t adopt the puppy?

StG

Very well written OP! I’m imagining you walking thru dressed like Lois Lane and scribbling notes just for us Dopers.

I love the dog program, what an excellent use of resources.

No, the puppy has already been adopted. It’s just waiting for paperwork to clear before she goes home.

The puppy was really just a way to tempt me to go in there. I’m nuts about puppies.

What I meant was that the inmate has to get used to seeing other people walking off with “his” dog. Potential adopters want to play with them and sometimes take them home for a week or two to see how they fit in with their families.

If they decide to keep the dog, they pay an adoption fee. (In the story I told above about the inmates rallying together to save an inmates dog, Hubby was able to call and get the fees waived.)

If they decide it’s not working out, the dog goes back to his trainer. It’s really hard on some of them letting the dogs go.

Hubby is also having an agility course built* for the dogs. I suggested they have a dog show when they do Yard Day, and the best-trained dog wins a pack of cola for his trainer and a new chew-toy for itself. He thinks that might be a good idea.

As we drove around, I saw dogs of every kind, from tiny miniture pinchers to big German Shepards. The animals are extremely well cared-for. They get 24/7 care from their trainers, who have nothing else to do but train and play with the dogs. Those are damned happy dogs, and it shows.

My husband says the dogs were the greatest thing that ever happened to that prison. The entire mood of the institution changed. Disruptive inmates became eager to obey the rules so they could qualify to have a dog of their own. Young inmates who before postured and strutted to show off how tough they were now were rolling on the floor, laughing as a puppy licked their noses. Everyone seemed to have their stress relieved by these dogs.

Before the dogs came, they had an issue with illicit pets. Inmates would feed the stray cats which come to the prison. (As you can imagine, the population exploded. Staff constantly battles to try to keep their numbers in check.) Some kept birds or insects, and one memorable fellow kept a snake in a box beneath his bed.

*I must note that this is not paid for by tax dollars, but out of money earned/raised by the inmates themselves.

Sorry! Just saw your post. I don’t know how I missed it.

The difference is two-fold. The inmates are more dangerous, and the security is tighter.

Most inmates start out at medium security-- your average theives, rapists, murderers and whatnot. Your behavior afterward determines your security level. If you’re violent and disruptive, you may be raised to a higher status. (There are many hearings to determine if it’s necessary-- no staff member has the ability raise a clearance on their own.) If you behave very well, your security status will be lowered, and you may go to a prison which is more like a residential facility.

The higher the security, the more restricted your movements, and the more restricted is what posessions you may have.

Yes. Their behavior on the inside must be good, and, of course, if they’d been convicted of animal cruelty or something like that, they wouldn’t be allowed.

In this prison, the phones would have to be smuggled in. Inmates are only allowed to use a special phone system at approved times. All calls, whether local or not, are made collect. The conversations are digitally recorded, and are retrievable for (IIRC) thirty days, and the staff does listen to them. (Usually only if an inmate is suspected of wrongdoing which might involve an outsider.)

Pretty much, that’s the case. He’s most often named as a co-defendant. Inmates sue claiming their rights were violated by not being allowed this or that privledge, for example. He’s also been sued several times by staff, who say that he discriminated against them for promotion.

Thus far, he’s been sued by almost every protected class! Again, however, they were all found to be without merit and dismissed. We do not have to have a private attorney for that. The state takes care of it. As long as he is behaving within the rules of conduct, he has nothing to fear.