I really intended just to abandon this thread to your pathetic solo gumming of it, but I called a friend who shares me disdain for you, and as I read it to her it occurred to me that almost every single statement you make in it is either utterly dishonest, baldly hypocritical, or transparently cowardly.
So I’m going to indulge in a little more character assassination.
Thus you simultaneously call me a liar and put yourself forward as a long distance mind-reader.
**Nowhere, ever (as your lack of cites would seem to support), have I used a group characterization to make assumptions about an individual. That’s bigotry, bud. In the above posts I have made no reference whatsoever to individual members of the abstract concept of “the powers that be,” which no one would argue has a largely Straight White Male bias. And as I’ve amply stated here, your misinterpretation of my quickly and clumsily worded (and acknowledged as such) original post on this subject does not change this fact, and again you sidestep my challenge that you link to another example, other than the one you’ve twisted and misinterpreted, and which I’ve explained, from this thread—an example that occurs, as you bluster wetly—“elsewhere.”
**You have a link for the Stoid thread? And as far as the gun thread—I was looking for a small intersection of two groups: NRA members who are also anti-choice to ask them if they perceived what I saw as a contradiction in the two stances. No such person ever posted in response. All I got were gunbunnies turning red and spraying spit at their monitor while they defensively hoohawed about their right to make the world a more dangerous place for their children: no discussion of the OP ever happened. I got nasty at the silly fools who had hijacked the thread as a pulpit for the NRA.
**PUHleez. :rolleyes: Again, you “try differently” (WTF?) I’ve attempted to clarify this point again and again, but apparently you’re sitting there, alone in the dark, bathed in the sickly blue light of your cathode hearth, sticking your fingers in your ears and going [PeeWeeHerman]I can’t HEAR you! La lala lala![/PeeWeeHerman]
**No; of course not. Why engage in debate in the original thread, when you can drag it over here with your teeth and shake it like a broke-back rat?
**Dude, it’s my theory that’s under contention here. I’m not challenging anyone. Since you so obviously disagree with my amateur sociology, you’re gonna hafta start the debate. I’m satisfied with my conclusions, until someone wants to make a reasonable challenge to them. Trust me, Sweetie-Darling, I ain’t gonna chase you down to debate my theory. Give it a rest.
**Whatever indeed. I proposed a theory you responded by saying, basically, “you’re wrong.” No discussion, no debate. And my waiting for a serious discussion you equate with refusing to admit I’m wrong? Why because you say so? Spare me. See my above reference to the size of the world you control vis-à-vis the real world.
** Great, my own personal SDMB stalker. How little is your life, Scylla?
**You making it your life’s work to twist anything you can find to tack onto the trailing tail of this moribund thread? Yeah it sounds like a real bore.
Um, that you’re a hypocrite and a liar?
Do you mean here? Or maybe here?
No doubt.
You mean, like this, near the end of a long thread in which you stubbornly refused to give any ground whatsoever?
Or maybe here, in another thread you started on the same subject?
You want me to provide links to all the times you didn’t apologize for your stubborn boorishness? How exactly would I do that? Anyone is free to do a search for “Scylla” and, say, “bigotry,” or “apologize,” and find almost no examples of when you did apologize. So I’ll link the single time that you apologized, that I could find, or in fact that I ever remember seeing from you. (To anyone who visits the link: you’ll have to wade through a page and a half of Scylla defiantly insisting on his right to offend other “oversensitive” people by using widely disparaged group labels, before you come across his sincerely impressive, and truly [serious here] honest apology.)
Likewise, until you showed your true slope-headed colors again. Remember, I’d washed my hands of you long before that thread, but subsequent to your apology I returned to debating you in serious threads. You very helpfully chipped away at my newfound respect for you in many later threads.
No; just when you hypocritically accuse someone of your most frequent fault, and absolutely refuse to consider his clarification (this coupled with a total lack of similar behavior in any of my other, less-easily misconstrued, 1000+ posts.) Let’s see: the accuser has a long, long, well documented history of bigotry, and one apology to his credit, and the accused has one post out of over a thousand, that is furthermore easily clarified and seen to be not what the accuser thought it was. Hmm. I don’t know, seems like a pretty clear-cut case of hypocritical sour grapes to me. Audience?
Um, no, your kind attempt to explain my own words to me notwithstanding, that was not my motivation. My motivation was to prove, with documentation, that what we have here, besides a failure to communicate, is the humongous, 55-gallon pot smugly pointing to a faint gray smudge on the kettle; a smudge which turns out on close inspection to be, in reality, a shadow cast on the kettle by the pot. And then (to stretch a metaphor used-condom thin), the pot’s being dragged away to the scrap heap shrieking shrilly, “No! It’s a smudge! I swear it’s a smudge!”
Yes, you acknowledged it once, but I don’t see much evidence of striving.
Oh, I have no doubt it would be. But acknowledging your bilious piñata of a Pit thread, let alone agreeing reluctantly to give it a few whacks, is distasteful enough. As I’ve said, I usually ignore such hollow, self-serving, hypocritical tripe, and I certainly don’t start them.
**As I said above, it’s extremely revealing that your only response to my calling you a LIAR is to tautologically quote only your tenaciously retained misinterpretation from this thread, and to boldly sidestep my challenge that you back up your outrageous lie in your use of the word “elsewhere.”
*Whoosh! Whoosh! Whoosh! It’s like arguing with the Cheshire Cat. Or with someone who speaks a different language.
[ul]Scylla: I do believe in spooks; I do believe in spooks; I do believe in spooks; I do believe in spooks; I do I do I do I do I DO believe in spooks!*[/ul]
So, therefore my theory, which pretty much states the same thing, is totally unworthy of examination and debate?
:scratches head:
:blank look:
Hunh? So now you’re saying that my theory is not worth debating because it’s self-evidently true? I thought this whole damn resuscitated horse was because you so violently disagreed with it! Scylla’s Art of Ninja Argument: Never stand in one place! Hop around like an idiot; change positions constantly. Ambush from the shadows. Deny you were ever there.
I think, Scylla, Babe, that I found what you really, deep down, want to say here. Quoting you, from the above-linked thread:[ul]* I’m wrong.
It’s poetic justice that a time when I was rude and hurtful and uncaring come back and haunt me when I’m speaking on a topic that I care about.
To a fair reader it calls into questions my motivations, and invalidates my arguments.
When people treat you badly it bothers you deep inside where there is not a lot of reason. Some people handle that with class and respond with goodwill.
. . . I played it for all it’s worth.
I was wrong with what I did, and I was way out of line. It was mean and insensitive, and I can’t justify it.
My bad behavior was made even worse when the shoe was on the other foot. When somebody else was wronged, and responding to it in a much more reasonable manner than I did, I was very quick to be resentful of the slightest imposition. It would have cost me nothing not to post, or to air my views in a less inflammatory manner. . . .
No, I had to be a hard ass and stand up for what I believe in even if it’s trivial and petty, and to do so causes hurt and misunderstanding where there is already enough. It’s especially hypocritical since I’ve proven that I’m not even close to living up to the standards that I insist on in others. I was being mean and petty.
. . . You did a good thing by slapping me in the face with those threads.
I didn’t think that I was the bad guy. Now I see that I am.
I have acted poorly and I am very very sorry. *[/ul]
Thank you, Scylla, now don’t you feel better? I know I do.
[sub](*That sound you hear is me washing my hands: this is the deepest I’m willing to nest quotes. *)[/sub]
