has anybody heard of, or tried this?
just lost about 65 pounds in seven months; many times only eating one meal a day, at the end of the day. towards the last several months i tried the atkins protin diet.
now i have what appears to be a gallbladder blockage.
the flush involves a morning of no fat, afternoon of just water and fruit juice, then some epsom salt-water solution, then nothing untill bedtime when half a cup of olive oil mixed with grapefruit juice is swallowed with 4-8 orithine pills to help sleep.
I just know that I am going to regret asking, but…
What is a gallbladder blockage and what makes you think you have such a thing?
Have you been reading Hulda Clark’s books? She is a great advocate of this type of cleanout but the thought of ever again swallowing that much oil makes me wanna gag. I’m going to keep my sluggish liver and gall bladder thank you. Good luck.
Having just recently had my gallbladder removed, and feeling SOOOOO much better because of it, I can relate what my Dr told me and what I’ve experienced.
- Gallstones will not just go away.
- If a stone blocks the duct, you’ll be hurting and risk BAD infection <hubby had this>.
- If you have a gallbladder attack, it may or may not recur - hard to tell.
- The surgery was done on an outpatient basis - piece of cake - and I feel just fine and dandy.
Personally, I’m leery of pseudo-medical recommendations. Some stuff is just too weird to be credible. But it’s just my opinion…
I also had my gall bladder out, and learned a few things in the process. If you have a gall bladder blockage, that’s a serious medical condition that requires the immediate attention of a real MD, probably in an Emergency Room. You CANNOT flush a gallstone the way you’re talking. A little education is in order here.
Your liver, gall bladder, and pancreas all share a common duct that dumps out into the to of the small intestine, near where it connects to the stomach. The function of the gall bladder is to help the liver. The liver constantly drips a little bile all the time, and the gall bladder holds it for future use. The liver has two rates it produces bile - slow drip and full gush. The full gush mode is reserved for when you eat a really fatty meal. Anything less than that is handled by the gall bladder, which contracts to squirt out just the amount you need at the moment, for when you eat that small order of fries :).
For some unknown reason, stones form in the gall bladder. When the gall bladder contracts, it can squirt a stone into your common duct. Sometimes the stones are small enough that they will pass into the small instestines without intervention. But when they are too big, the bile backs up, is absorbed into the bloodstream, and you get jandiced. That requires surgery (when the gall bladder is usually removed), and/or a procedure called an ERCP (don’t ask me what it stands for, but I had two of them), that uses a fiber optic-guided device that sticks a probe up the common duct and fishes the stone out.
The only thing this diet might be attempting to do is to provoke your liver into “gush” mode, to get the stone to flush out. But I think it’s way too unscientific, and the consequences are too dire if it doesn’t work. Call a real doctor.
“…a morning of no fat, afternoon of just water and fruit juice, then some epsom salt-water solution, then nothing untill bedtime when half a cup of olive oil mixed with grapefruit juice is swallowed with 4-8 orithine pills…”
Is that yellow grapefruit juice or is pink OK?
It always amazes me that the cockamamie recipes from the “health” section of the Walgreen’s paperback rack are so much more complicated than the recipes that the researchers come up with after years of meticulous study.
thanks for the thoughts.
DRMatrix: i have a pain at the edge of the ribcage on my right/front side that moves into my right sholder blade that occurs late at night. it can be quite severe if a fatty meal was consumed, and sometimes causes vomiting and chills.
i have great respect for medical science, but not for how doctors apply the knowledge, or trust for the doctors themselves (one exception - unfortunately it is not my doctor)
removal is common, perhaps too common. there are some things i’ve done that could cause the gall stones, i’m hoping that a simple flush could be suficient to solve the problem.
Kim: the idea/plan did come from hulda clark’s book
JoltSucker: why is it not possible to fluch gall stones this way? it sounds logical
Yeah: well your comment was really helpful, i’m sure the “researchers” you mention have developed all sorts of massive dollar drugs that will probably accomplish the same thing as simple remedies. are you thrilled with all the developments in shaving? every year they develop some lube strip or flexible blades - Gee, I wonder how men managed to get all the hair off their faces in the 1980’s.
If the stone’s big enough to get stuck in the first place, then it’s probably too big to just “flush out” in this way. Besides this, you’re liable to suffer from some other serious nutritional problems if you try the method you described in the OP. You say that you don’t trust doctors and the way the apply modern medicine? And yet, you’re willing to trust other folks, using unproven techniques that don’t even have medical knowledge behind them? Most doctors, at least, care about your welfare. Folks promoting methods like this “gall-bladder flushing” are just out to make a buck.
I don’t know just how common gallbladder removal is, but rest assured of this: If it is as common as you say, then there is a good reason it’s so common. The most likely reason is that, all things considered, it’s the best treatment for this sort of problem.
If you don’t trust the way doctors tend to apply medical knowledge, then this may not carry much weight. Nevertheless…
healthcentral.com, run by Dr. Dean Edell, has this article on gallbladder removal.
Edell maintains that there is “no such thing as gallbladder flushing.” He says that gallbladder removal is commonly prescribed after one gallstone incident because the recurrence rate is rather high. Gallstone attacks are sometimes severe, and emergency gallbladder removals done under such circumstances are risky. The basic idea is “This is likely to keep happening over and over. Pull the gallbladder now, when it can be done quite safely, rather than waiting to see if there’s an emergency somewhere down the line.”
Thank you for the link.
There are several people that claim it works, all the bad comments seem to come from people with some sort of blind faith in doctors and offer no clear reason as to why this should not be done.
“serious nutritional problems” ??? One reason I am willing to try it is because I am not doing/consuming anything that farout. Perhaps the combination is weird, but serious! It is just a bit of epsom salt, juice, and olive oil. Seems like I have consumed worse foods like when McFatties offers the 2 for 1 deals on thier cheeseburgers - 100+ grams of animal fat!
I wasn’t thinking in terms of too much of anything, but of not getting enough of things. If I’m reading your OP correctly, this method involves very little actual food… “just water and juice”… “then nothing until bedtime”, and no food then, either, just oil and juice. Unless you meant "nothing that’s part of the treatment, but you can have other stuff?
The reason that we put blind faith in doctors is because we are not doctors. I don’t necessarily know what’s good and what’s bad for me; a doctor is someone who has spent years learning what’s good and what’s bad, so he can advise folks like me. If you want to be paranoid and not trust doctors, fine, but why should you trust non-doctors?
I wish the Doctors at my hospital had diagnosed me properly the first time, then I would’ve been operated on and that would be that.
But no, the fools. Only much later does a non-specialist diagnose gallstones, and because it’s not an emergency, they won’t operate. I have to be put on a three year waiting list for the four year waiting list.
And I am not exaggerating.
So now I’m in a new country. I hope they do it differently here.
I think I would pretty much try anything before I elected to have surgery. I prefer to keep the parts I was born with.
Guanolad - my nan had gallstones in the early 70s - she got put on a waiting list for the operation. She was on the list for 2 years, waiting, with the toxins building up in her body and always in discomfort. She was finally taken in as an emergency because it was about to rupture. About three months later she found a lump in her breast - we’ll never know for certain, but I believe that she got the cancer because of the build up of toxins in her body for such a long period. That is bound to affect the way the cells work. She hd a mastectomy, but it had metastacised (sp?) into the bones and it killed her. Guano - I hope your new country has better medical care, but if not, get a loan, anything, get it treated.
TheMachine - don’t play around, get it looked at.
Good luck to both of you.
There are gall stones, and there is sludge.
Because the gall bladder only forcefully contracts and empties itself after a fatty meal, when someone goes on a diet, particularly a low fat diet, the gall bladder may go for days or weeks without completely emptying. This causes the bile to become thickened, and depending upon the relative concentrations of bile acids and cholesterol in the bile, crystals may form, which, over time, can grow to form stones. Or not, in which case the bile stays liquid, but is much more viscous and is termed “sludge”.
Treatment for gallstones is generally surgical removal of the gall bladder, especially since over the last 10-12 years laparoscopic procedures using tiny incisions is routinely used in lieu of a 12" slice along the lower edge of your rib cage. In elderly patients, or those for whom surgery would be high risk, there are medications available to dissolve the stones, but these take years to work, if they work at all.
Sludge doesn’t generally require treatment, since it seldom causes obstruction of the common bile duct. Sludge could probably be cleared by the regimen you suggest, but it could also be cleared by eating a big juicy burger & fries. One slight advantage to the olive oil “flush” would be that it would be unlikely to set off cravings for repeat treatments that could jeopardize your new weight. Either way, though, a sudden large amount of fat could trigger a gall bladder attack if a stone were present, necessitating a trip to the Emergency Room and urgent surgery.
- Avoid extremes of dietary composition. Your GI system needs some fat to function properly.
- If you are having episodes of abdominal pain after meals, particularly if it is up under the right rib cage, you probably have stones, and surgery is recommended.
- If you have stones, but have not been getting abdominal pain episodes, you likely don’t need surgery. Only those stones small enough to leave the gall bladder, but large enough to occlude the common bile duct are likely to cause problems.
- There are stranger purges or flushes out there, but any meal with a decent amount of fat can accomplish the same thing.
thanks for the reply!
I will put my trust in logic, I dont care if it comes from a bum on the street or a burning bush that is not consumed by the fire. Doctors are not typically open to methods that were not fed to them in: Internal Medicine: The Gallbladder Explained (1995), by Dr. Mufesto - 35th ed. Huge insurance co pub: DE
(BTW I made the book up). Point is, from a real MD that I spoke with in person (not some internet quack), there are “old” remedies that work, medical science and theory is always changing.
I do believe doctors are scared to even suggest something that is not so common because they might not be able to defend against in a law suite. They also have a business aspect to consider.
Please tell me that I’m wrong here: You have some kind of pain and have decided that it must be gallbladder blockage and you made this diagnosis without the help of a medical doctor. Now (since doctors can make mistakes) you have decided not to seek professional medical help and you want to treat yourself.
Yes, doctors can and have made mistakes. This does not mean that you should diagnose and treat yourself.
Do you take comfort in the old methods because they don’t change when new evidence comes in?
- I am not a doctor (medical or otherwise)
- I don’t like going to doctors not because I don’t trust them, but because I am a wussy. I have to be at death’s door to go see one myself.
brad_d speaks the truth. Your innards are important, can’t live without some so take care of them. My dad and one of his brothers suffered with gallbladder attacks from years of steak-every-night diets high in fat. Whe dad had to have his removed they said it had already basically exploded. Uncle was the same way, coming close to death in the process.
As a former member of the health care field…we love this kind of thing! Everyone should do it! Distrust the crap out of us! Believe not a word we say!..Until, of course, you’re doubled over in pain, neon yellow from jaundice, peeing Root Beer Jello, and delerious with fever from a raging septecemia and peritonitis. We’ll skip the cheap ERCP, and go straight to the ex lap…and a whole bunch more, because you didn’t come see us until you were really sick, necessitating a stay in the ICU, extended hospitalization, tons of drugs… KA-CHING! Hellooooo Mr. Yachtseller! I’m buying a new boat! WHOOOOO-WEEEEE!
Seriously, get it checked out. After working with docs for years, yeah I think a lot of them are jerks, but the vast majority are jerks who know what they’re doing and genuinely want to make you well.
Too Late it is done.
The flush worked exactly as claimed. For how long???
I could not wait two years to be treated and I don’t have $550/month for health insurance (yes $550/mo, just for 1 person)