P.S. In the interest of clarity, I should mention that my “Yes” in the first sentence was in reference to the question of whether sexual assault was “somehow more accepted in India” and not whether Coldfire was the only one disturbed by the implication.
Fair enough, Gyrate - I doubt thatDDperson did the amount of research you did, though. And that’s the disturbing part, is what I’m saying. Coupled with the already mentioned wish for jail rape. A warped world view if ever there was one.
One of the great things about these boards, and this forum in particular, is that you get to say the most irresponsible, misguided, reckless and generally reprehensible stuff you can think of secure behind the cloak of invisibility. I can hardly think that some of our friends would go to a place where they are known, where people know where they live and work and maybe know their parents and advocate death as a suitable punishment for some stranger groping another stranger and generally rejoice in prison rape. The point is that you are not responsible for what you say here (provided you do not offend some pretty basic rules). There are no real consequences for being a complete jerk. The worse thing that happens is that other poster post stuff saying you are a jerk. Thus, fulfilment. Posting here is like being back in junior high school and playing gross-out. God, I love it.
Well. Shit. Sorry clairobscur. My presumptions have fallen flat on their arse.
So is it just The Netherlands and Australia that have these legal/ethical safeguards?
Can any of you other folks from other countries tell us how your legal systems work?
Coldfire wrote:
You’ll know the love of Jesus when you’re burning in hell!" 
He’s, uh, really frustrated? And his wife’s back in India? I don’t think self-control is an issue here; if this guy really thinks that ‘women ask for it because of the way they’re dressed’ he’s a totally different animal from my male friends, who wouldn’t even think of sexually assaulting a woman. I like to think there are lots more guys like that than like this scumball.
He’s scum. It’d be interesting to see if he’s tried anything like this before.
You must have overlooked my previous post Margin. Before you can accuse someone of being a ‘scumball’, [he] has to have been found guilty of the crimes of which he has been accused.
Get it?
Or am I flogging a dead fucking horse here with you Merkins? :rolleyes:
and
kambuckta, are you sure there are actual laws that govern what is released in Australian media, or is it just the general standards of the media there, that are sometimes broken? I ask because I’m an occasional reader of the Sydney Morning Herald and I vaguely remember when that group of boys gang-raped a girl in a Sydney park that many details were released.
To refresh my memory, I took a look at today’s (Thursday) online addition and found an article about a swim coach accused of sexual assault. Not only is the coach’s name in there, but the accused’s name and the nature of the charges. The coach is even quoted as saying that the police should take care of this matter…“That’s the place to deal with it - not here in the media.”
Link: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/15/1065917484986.html
How is this different from the details of this professor’s case being released to the media??
sorry, I meant the accuser’s name.
Kambutka, I’m not required by law not to have an opinion of the guy. I can have whatever opinion of him that I want. I’m not in the potential jury pool and so on. I can’t say that I know much about Australian law, so I’d be curious as your answer to his/her/their question regarding the publishication of pre-trial information.
I'm not being sarcastic, but I find your statement that he must have been frustrated and alienated due to separation from his wife somewhat incomplete. Could you expand on this? I mean, from frustration to rape is a huge step that I just don't think a lot of people are capable of making. Nor do I want to think that, either. I mean, if I'm broke, I don't just go out and rob a bank.Actually, those were my comments, margin, and not only did I point out that “frustration” was not a legitimate excuse, but I subsequently retracted several of the other points from my original post.
Oh, I didn’t see that. MY apologies.
I’m still curious as to whether or not someone could describe the difference in Australian versus American laws regarding the printing of the suspect’s name and so.
If you mean my question, I’m a she. 
Spain is a disgrace in this respect and there has been a recent case highlighting the sorry state of affairs. Two or three years ago a young woman was killed in southern Spain and an older woman was accused of the crime by the police. She was jailed for some time while the media were in a feeding frenzy with her. She was found guilty by a popular jury but the case was appealed and was remanded for retrial. In the meanwhile this woman was permanently being harassed in the press and suject to mob attacks where ever she went. Her life was a living hell.
Then, while awaiting the second trial , just recently, an english man was discovered by chance to be the author. New information came out quickly. He had killed and raped in England. He ws also found to be the killer of other unsolved cases near where the last women was killed. Suddenly everything fell into place.
There is footage of people insulting her and throwing things at her. They can easily be identified. If it were up to me those people should be sued for damages. The press should compensate this woman handsomely.
It made me think about the mob effect and about how people tend to believe what they want to believe. The whole thing was and is disgusting. Mobs are disgusting creatures and a lot of people here have quite a bit of a mob mentality.
The police accused the woman because they relied on the evidence which pointed at her and ignored the evidence which did not support their hypothesis. They sold it to the jury and the jury bought it. The media made a circus of the whole thing and convicted her. If it weren’t for the fact that the real killer was found, this woman would have spent years in jail.
It also made me think of how the Bush administration arrived at the conclusion that Iraq had WMD: by the same process of disregarding evidence which did not agree with their conclusions and by giving too much weight to evidence which supported it.
C3Ah! Thanks for the clarification. It’s just nice to use the right pronoun.
Has anyone heard about the case in England where an illiterate mod couldn’t tell the difference between a pediatrician and a pedophile and attacked the former? Can’t remember anything else, unfortunately.
** Sailor** your account brings up a good point; what makes good police work. I remember reading Stephen Michaud’s book about Ted Bundy, and one of the detectives exclaimed,“Hey, we were working for him, too! We were trying to clear him so we could go on to the next suspect, but we just kept finding more evidence against him!”
Too bad that the prosecution in the Bryant case, for example, didn't follow that method.Just curious, kambuckta: How does it feel to be hoist on your own petard?
Ack! ‘Mod’ should be mob, obviously. Damn.
Yes; it happened not far from here.
From memory, it was in the wake of the Sarah Payne incident (an 8-year-old girl was abducted and murdered by a man who had been previously convicted for the abduction (but not murder that time) of another young girl) - emotions were generally running high and the media was merrily stoking it all up, to the extent that (IIRC) they published the pictures and address details of a number of registered sex offenders. Riots ensued and some people acted on misinformation, such as that which you describe. There were also, I believe, cases where damage to property and threat to personal safety was suffered by people who happened to now live at addresses formerly occupied by sex offenders.
More details of the whole sorry mess can be found here, although a lot of the links on this page are now dead.