Winner of “biggest understatement of the thread” award.
Interesting viseo:
Can we include the Sikhs, Hindus and other turban-wearing persons that ignorant bigots killed because they thought they were Muslim?
Of course, they are victims of anti-Muslim bigotry as well. And your list of non-Muslim victims targeted by Jihadists should include the Muslims killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or for being not Muslim enough.
No Muslims did 9/11.
Google; 9/11 Truth
There isn’t anyone posting in this thread who is unaware of the conspiracy theories that your suggested Googling would bring up. Here is a search to demonstrate that for you.
What kind of sociopathic argument is it to say “hey, some Muslims killed non-Muslims, therefore it’s totally understandable that not only are completely unrelated and totally innocent other Muslims being targeted, but it’s also understandable that we don’t care about these attacks on Muslims.”
Instead of, y’know, “I condemn these attacks on innocent people, just as I condemn the attacks of Islamic radicals on innocent people”.
makes ooga-booga gesture :rolleyes:
Psst, Hank Beecher! The CAIR is American, not Emirati! It’s in their name and everything!
Which is a pointless bit of bullshit that conveniently allows you to ignore the fact that the list contained in the Salon article didn’t feature “anonymous emails”, but things like firebombings of mosques and people being physically assaulted and shot.
Any comment about those?
Asra Nomani is full of shit, and without fail takes the side of whatever the Islamophobes say, from supporting the boycott of “All-American Muslim” to promoting the racial profiling of Muslims.
CAIR is scary and untrustworthy, but an explictly anti-Muslim group founded by the director of a weird Orthodox Jewish organization that promotes “Torah Codes” and whose “national security director” openly promotes lunatic conspiracy theories is so reliable to you that you cite them twice in your post?
I’d be lying if I said I was surprised.
It’s the kind of argument that you make up out of nowhere.
No, not “just as”, one set of attacks is far more prevalent, and far more deadly, and thus deserves louder condemnation.
That’s an ironic bit of sarcasm in a post in which you go on to call CAIR “scary”.
An American Islamist group with ties to the global Islamist movement, which is why they are on the list of groups designated by the UAE as terrorists. The Council of Conservative Citizens are just citizens, I mean, look, it’s right there in their name. Psst, Aisha, CAIR is to ISIS what the CCC is to the KKK.
The property crimes are bad and the violence is worse. Just like Europe, the scale of the violence against Muslims in America is much lower than that committed by Muslims against non-Muslims (and their cafeteria Muslims friends who are occasionally with them drinking in whatever cafe or office building or rock concert the Jihadists decide to attack that day). The level of violence is not just a little bit less, but orders of magnitude less. So it makes sense for the outrage to be lopsided as well. That is, as long as you don’t get fooled by the narrative CAIR pushes.
You do realize that you are doingexactly what she describes, right?
You got that right.
Your cites show that their claim is used to fuel conspiracy theories. It is not a conspiracy theory to show a group marching with weapons and call it “weapons training”.
The first cite was to show that CAIR was on the UAE’s list of designated terrorists, which they are, the second was to a video, the contents of which you seem to have no comment on. In fact, you don’t seem to have any comments about anything of substance whatsoever, you just smear others who criticize Islam or Islamism, even when they are Muslim.
Why on earth are you using the UAE as a citation? That’s just…odd.
The UAE government is an enemy of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is why two of the Brotherhood’s American tentacles, CAIR and the Muslim American Socienty, ended up on their list of baddies.
Yeah, I’m not even going to ask you to back that up. Suffice to say that I believe you see what you choose to see, and get in bed, rhetorically speaking, with the oddest folks.
She’s not calling CAIR scary; she’s saying that you find it so.
The government of the UAE made a list of groups that they have designated as terrorist groups. They put CAIR and the MAS on that list. I’m not even sure what exactly it is that you are declining to refute, or what it is you are not asking me to back up. Are you skeptical that the UAE government is an enemy of the Brotherhood? If you are then what is your explanation for how these groups ended up on the list?
I didn’t have to make up the fact that your reaction to learning about the rise in attacks on Muslims in the US was to both imply that it was all made up and to explain how it was “understandable”.
I rather doubt that “deadliness” and “prevalence” are the reasons you are so vocal about Muslim attacks and so dismissive of attacks on Muslims (especially since attacks by non-Muslims are much more prevalent in the US than Muslim attacks).
I almost hate to break it to you, but my calling CAIR “scary” was also sarcasm.
And if CAIR were either terrorists or had anything to do with the UAE, I’m sure you’d actually have something vaguely approaching a point.
Of all the facepalmingly dumb things you’ve said about Islam, that’s probably the dumbest.
And there’s yet another sly assertion that non-violent and assimilated Muslims aren’t real Muslims.
Yet again, I’d be lying if I said I was shocked.
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize hazrat Nomani was above reproach and beyond criticism and that calling her out on her bullshit on an Internet message board where she’s not a member and doesn’t even read is the same thing as silencing her and oppressing her free speech.
My cites show that Clarion’s “national security director” went on Fox News to promote the nonsense “22 terrorist training camps” conspiracy theory now being parroted by Donald “register all Muslims in the US” Trump.
…says the guy who rejected the Salon article about the rise of anti-Muslim violence in the US out of hand because it mentioned a CAIR study. :rolleyes:
Yes you are right. She is making assumptions and accusations about posters, rather than addressing their claims, as usual.
Oh get off your victim complex high horse already. I didn’t say or imply any such thing.
Your doubts about my motives are meaningless, uninformed, and irrelevant. There are what, 50 times as many non-Muslims in the US than Muslims? So of course there are more attacks by the group that is 50 times larger. And yet there have still been far more non-Muslims attacked and killed by Muslim jihadists than Muslims killed by non-Muslims. This is the central point to this side discussion, this disparity in deadly violence. You are not even acknowledging it AT ALL. You are doing everything you can to divert the discussion away from that point, the closest you have come to addressing it is to add your guesses and implications about my motivations for bringing the disparity up. Here is some news for you: dozens and dozens of people targeting and killed in the US and Europe recently by teams of Islamist terrorists is a much much bigger deal than a few emails or moltovs directed at mosques, or a few hate crimes against Muslims that have occurred. No amount of your posturing or whining when these facts are brought up is going to change that. The sooner you come to terms with this the better.
That makes more sense, seeing how closely you are following their playbook, playing the victim while downplaying Islamist violence.
They have enough to do with the global Islamist movement that they ended up on the UAE’s list of designated terrorist groups.
My statement is not “about Islam”, it is about CAIR (despite how much as CAIR tries to position itself as the voice of Islam in America). The CCC bills itself as a civil rights group for white people, just as CAIR portrays itself as a civil rights group for Muslims. They both denounce violence while minimizing and soft-justifying it at the same time, and playing up the victim hood of the groups they pretend to represent. The parallels are strong as hell.
You don’t get it, there is no such thing as a “real Muslim”. I, along with most others, don’t care what they are called or considered, as long as they can safely sit in their cafes and drink their Champagne and talk about the universe in peace with the rest of us, without getting murdered by trained teams of psychopathic death-cultists. This is far far more important than your bristling at my choice of the term “cafeteria Muslims”, which BTW I learned from Muslim friends who half-jokingly use it to refer to their own beliefs.
I know I know, you are so overwhelmed by incredulity that you can’t even manage to have a debate, all you can do is attack the messengers. Don’t roll your eyes too many times, they might get stuck up there.
You didn’t address what she said at all, you simply labeled it “bullshit”.
“we might have twenty-two so called villages and at least one terror camp” is what was actually said, so nice spin you have there, Orielly would be proud. And he claims to have published unclassified FBI documents to back up what he is saying. And of course this does not address the substance of the video AT ALL, you are simply diverting away from that task altogether.
I did not reject the article, I pointed out that it is perfectly reasonable to be more concerned and outraged by Islamist violence than by anti-Muslim bigotry, since it is orders of magnitude more deadly in America. CAIR’s standard operating procedure is to paint Muslims primarily as victims, and America as a bigoted hell hole. They must not be reaching the Syrian or Iraqi refugees who want to come here though. I mean, if they heard about that one Muslim lady who didn’t get a can of Coke on her flight I am sure they would all turn around and go back to the theoretically inspired rubble that used to be their neighborhoods.
Is this country going crazy with Islamophobia?
Actually, according to the CIA World Fact Book, 0.6% of the U.S. population is Muslim, so there are 166 times as many non-Muslims in the US as Muslims.
If a geography teacher gave your child an assignment to copy John 3:16 in blackletter, then would you see the problem?
If it was in the original Greek, probably not.