Yes. But watching a store get looted on the Today Show kind of obscures that argument for a lot of people, who are only wondering one thing. Where are the police?
But that didn’t happen while trump was president, so why should people support his side again? Not only didn’t they punish it, they didn’t even stop it.
The democrats in office doesn’t lead to the same looting and violence, and the democrats actually seem to want to prosecute criminals, like those on January 6th? And why January 6th and not the earlier protests? Because those protests happened months or years before the democrats took power in Washington, whereas January 6th was literally in the weeks before they assumed power.
Democrats are about action! Republicans are feckless and incompetent.
Yes I agree ! But the public perception is that they were far left liberal activists which is the same in the minds of many independent or on the fence voters…JMHO
Thank you …You explained better than me!
With today’s climate towards policing I believe they “ Police “ are more reactive than proactive!
If you actually think “the public” believes that you’re misled.
There is a distinct fraction of the public that totally does believe that nonsense. As you correctly say. And that fraction is insular enough that if they believe it, so does nearly everyone they know or talk with.
But …
A far larger fraction of the populace knows it’s BS. But folks from the misled group never encounter that large fraction so they, in their small-minded way, assume it simply does not exist. They are wrong about that.
This perception is driven mainly by Fox News propaganda and lies. This is a reason to fight the propaganda with truth, and NOT a reason to accept and repeat that propaganda, even as a concern.
So what you’re saying is that Republicans and right-wing media support violence and looting by right-wing extremists by spreading the lie that the violence and looting was done by “far left liberal activists”.
That’s some funny stuff right there!
Personally I believe in law and order and I can’t imagine voting for the party of Trump with their cavalier attitude on criminality. We don’t even need to focus on the Republican presumptive presidential nominee and his 91 felony indictments; just take a look at the Texas attorney general or the honorable representative in the US House from New York’s 3rd district. There are a ton of active Republicans who are either under indictment, have been pardoned by our last President, or are actively and fervently supporting criminals and calling for the release of the Proud Boys and the Bundy family and their supporters. These people are criminals and consequences need to be paid.
As far as BLM goes, it looked to me like the Democrat administrations of the cities that had looting and rioting did everything they could to hold the culprits accountable. In fact, I think liberal cities are much tougher on crime than conservative rural counties which seem to be just chock full of corruption.
But let’s flip this question on it’s head: US Wage theft rose to over $50 Billion last last year and the Republicans are busy trying to destroy the CFPB and the other agencies that are trying to fight it. Will this theft by the greedy corporations and their Republican supporters effect the 2024 election?
Has anyone mentioned what DJT proposes in lieu of prosecution:
No playing around with saying what they did in the good old days. Just an out and out pledge to replace the rule of law with death squad justice.
Democratic.
I wouldn’t consider the looting in the OP the same thing as the looting that happened during J6 or BLM protests, and I wouldn’t expect them to have the same effect on the election. I would probably call J6 more of “ransacking” rather than looting. The looting during BLM was opportunistic.These types of randsackings/lootings are not necessarily going to continue on and on. They were spontaneous actions that happened because of events of the moment. I wouldn’t expect this kind of looting to have too much effect on the election since the voters are probably already politically aligned with the events that instigated the looting.
The looting referenced in the OP is organized and financially motivated looting. Specific stores and merchandise are being targeted which has good resale value. The thieves will continue their looting sprees as long as the financial gains outweigh the risks. I would expect this kind of looting to spread as long as the risks are low. This is the kind of looting which I expect people will be most concerned about when they are voting. No matter your political alignment, you don’t want the stores around you to be subject to this kind of targeted looting. All voters want this kind of looting stopped.
Except for the ones doing it, of course. And except for the ones who see political advantage in blaming in on their opponents.
Right you are.
In Philadelphia, the 2020 and 2023 looting sprees were all opportunistic. Looters got the impression that this was a time you could get away with it, and went at it. The stores hit (Target, liquor stores, pharmacies, shoe stores) were similar or identical.
The difference is in policing.
In 2020, I lived right over the city suburban line, on the suburban side. Our police literally lined up on the suburban side of City Avenue and watched while the shopping center on the other side was looted. The looting had nothing to do with protests, which occurred miles away.
Suburban police watching and doing nothing except to protect their own residents, in 2020, was a bad look. Progressives could even say that it was white privilege for suburbanites (although I don’t talk that way, and inner suburbs are integrated nowadays.)
This time, overwhelmed city police asked for suburban help, and got it.
As always with crime, most perpetrators get away with it. So there still are videos showing looters getting away with it this time. But it seems clear that a decision has been made that keeping this from happening, over and over, is essential – now that we know it wasn’t a one-off event. Reports are that video is being checked to see what perpetrators can be identified.
As for the 2024 election, this is a local issue. Progressive Democrats were already losing some local-office primaries, in Democratic cities, to pro-police moderates, and looting makes that likely to continue.
Trump thinks it is a issue that plays well nationally, to judge by his hideous pledge to shoot looters. I guess that if you believe in the turnout theory of how to win elections, you could say that frightfulness will work for him. But the problem, from a Trump perspective, is that dialing up emotions increases turnout on both sides.
In my view, voters have already made up their minds regarding Trump and Biden, so looting will make no difference. Maybe if looting occurred a week or two before the election, that would help Trump. But I think the message is now out that looting is high risk, and so we’ll probably dodge that risk.
Paul Blart as Judge Dredd. What could possibly go wrong?
What I’m say is both parties are trying explaining the violence as black flag outsiders !
What a surprise - turns out the big box retailers claiming they were closing stores because of theft turned out to be full of it.
Link to actual article at Popular Information blog: