Look, I was very much against this law at first, but was educated about it, as you should have been, and now see that I was wrong. I still think it’s bad policy, but I don’t see it as a dangerous law.
You are continuing to spout bullshit in this thread that you know is not true. The law does not require American citizens to carry documentation. And it does not require non-citizens to carry any documentation that federal law doesn’t already require them to carry.
Again, nobody is being forced to do anything against their will, except cancelling a trip they’ve been looking forward to and raising money for.
Also zero evidence that anybody’s safety would be in doubt. In fact, the school superintendent, when first addressing the trip’s cancellation, stated outright that it was because the trip “would not be aligned with our beliefs and values.” They started making up safety concerns only after the backlash started.
Sure there is. They would be going to a place where state law requires them to be harassed by the cops.
And doesn’t Arizona also have those “Minuteman” rednecks that go around shooting at Mexicans?
It does. It requires legal residents to prove the legality of their status at the demand of law enforcement. If this is not the case then the law would mean nothing.
If you think the kids have a right to choose not to go, then what is your problem?
I disagree.
Of course not. Legal residents includes American citizens. The law allows the cops to badger anyone at all for documents. It’s not like there’s some way the cops can tell who’s a citizen and who isn’t. A person without documents is a person without documents. There is no way to tell their residency or citizenship status if they aren’t carrying documents. I don’t get how you think that it would be possible to enforce this law with harassing citizens. The law basically presumes that all brown people are illegal aliens until proven otherwise.
I already said each kid can choose for himself whether to go or not, provided the administration actually agrees to the game. Right now, they can’t choose-- the administration chose for them.
And you’re wrong. If you’re right, then prove it.
The law does not require American citizens to carry documentation. That is a fact, and you’re hand waving doesn’t change that fact. Whether or not some citizens might be “harassed” because of this law is a different matter. American citizens are harassed every day because of various laws.
I fail to see the crisis…How many times a week does an individual already have to show a picture ID/Driver’s License while doing normal day-to-day activities
Zero to the cops, unless they’re pulled over for a driving citation. They are certainly never asked to prove their citizenship to the cops.
That avoids the question anyway. This law says that people have to prove their citizenship if asked by the cops. How are citizens suppsed to do that without carrying documentation, and how is the law going to be enforcable without bugging citizens?
You seriously think that this is how it will go down in real life?
Cop: I think that you are an illegal alien and not a citizen. Show me your papers Person: Actually, I AM a citizen of the United States, and as such, I am not required to carry proof of citizenship with me. Cop: Oh, OK then, I will take your word for it. Carry on.
I think it would look a little closer to this:
Cop: I think that you are an illegal alien and not a citizen. Show me your papers Person: Actually, I AM a citizen of the United States, and as such, I am not required to carry proof of citizenship with me. Cop: Well, I say you ARE an illegal immigrant with no papers, so you’re coming with me to the station. If you don’t come willingly, I will arrest you. If you resist, I will subdue you with all appropriate force.
ETA: Later…
Cop: Sorry for the inconvenience, citizen, and sorry for throwing you in the cells overnight until you could track down your roommate to bring your ID in.
Next day…
Cop #2: I think that you are an illegal alien and not a citizen. Show me your papers
Rinse and repeat
The net result is, that for all practical purposes, this citizen MUST carry papers showing proof of citizenship with them every time the even take out the garbage, or there is a danger of them spending the night in the Pokey.
I would tend to agree with those who say this would have little practical effect because cops already have the power to do stuff like this…except, that now, if you have a cop who isn’t harassing brown people as much as some local yahoos think he should, he can be sued. Many cops will think “hey, why take that chance, I think I’m gonna ask everyone I see if they’re a citizen. Not my jobsworth so might as well ask as much as possible.”