Quoth Inner Stickler:
No, for them too, since anyone who’s already voted can change the lynch designate (or at least bring it into a tie) by switching their vote. Right now, everyone, Scum and Town, voters and non-voters, has accountability. The difference is that Town don’t mind accountability, while Scum do.
and i am not much for trying to analyze votes (shoot i don’t even take notes). but i totally agree with this sentiment. at this point in this game every vote from here on out this Day should really be looked at.
**Vote Count:
Specialed(2): Astralrejection, Chronos,
Astralrejection(3): Redskeezix, Specialed, Oneandonly
Pleonast(2): Meeko, Drainbead
Snickers (2): Nanook, USCDiver
Meeko(1): Pleonast
Hoopy(1): Peeker
Peeker(1): Hoopy
About 24 hours left in the Day.**
You want excitement, peeker?
Vote Special Ed
I’m unconvinced by the other cases being made (although I can understand the interest in putting pressure on Pleo to get some info). It strikes me as odd that Ed was getting real heat and then suddenly there are switches and votes all over the place. It seems like the case against Ed was coalescing and then… Static. I’m staying on Ed.
Others I’m interested in? Drain for post 1959. Detailing how scummy Mhaye is, then voting for pleonast. Also peeker. I agree with (I think it was Chronos) that it seems like peeker is engaging in a little choreography. I also don’t like his gratuitous name claim. It seems like we’ve been handing scum our names, alignments, and favorite colors this entire game. And that’s why we’re two power roles down. Consider my suspicions raised.
Sorry for any typos. My wife has comandeered the computer and I am relegated to posting from my phone. OOG… Anybody use Tapatalk and know how to make it show post numbers?
Haven’t commented lately because I don’t feel there’s much more I can add.
I see that one of favorites for lynching has gained a vote, so I will switch mine.
unvote
vote Meeko, for 1) demanding information from me and then voting for me when I refused and explained it was anti-town. 2) trying to start a mass claim and preemptively voting me for it. And then complaining when I point out how it’s anti-town. 3) Instead of commenting on other players, asking them to comment on each other, thus avoiding stating his own opinions.
vote peekercpa, for anti-town post spamming.
vote DrainBead, for the ultimate wishy-washy smudge post.
vote MHaye, for implicitly referring to out-of-thread communications.
Ordering is from most suspicious to least, but I’d be happy to lynch any of them.
It’s dichotomous because my waffling wasn’t on Chipicabra. I voted him without hesitation on Day 1. And I followed that up with an immediate vote again for my first post Day 2, which was later followed up by further analysis of the vote patterns which just reinforced my Chip vote. My waffling on Day 1 was in who I wasn’t voting for: Suburban. I said I found him suspicious, but wasn’t going to vote him due to his claim. You’ve maintained since Day 2 that this was the same situation as what Chip was doing.
It’s why I asked you the question I did about how you view waffling. You said that waffling on whom you’re voting for is far worse than waffling on whom you weren’t. Chip was waffling on Ed; whom he was voting for. I was waffling on Suburban; whom I wasn’t voting for.
But you still maintain Chip and my situations are identical.
That’s the dichotomy. And a fairly stark one at that.
<snipped and bleached>
this is without reservation?
neta: reservation = hesitation. jeebs just the fact that i got a multi quote to work kind of floored me.
Astral has 78 posts in the game thread, all with content. I refuse to link to all of them, so you’re getting post numbers and synopsis and that’s it. If you want to check my work, feel free to do so.
312 – It’s his first game. Asks how to use the search thread function.
419 – Disregarding Pleo’s claim based on what everyone said about his history. Says the claim is just noise. Thinks that Chronos didn’t really out himself and therefore has an issue with his claim. Thinks it’s suspicious that he’s holding onto the info that he had, because more info is always helpful to Town. Short of knowing who the power roles are, holding back could be hurtful. Had planned on keeping an eye on people who focused on game mechanics extensively on Day One, but that’s everyone, so he needs a new plan.
422 – Thinks recruitment through the corrupting influence of the Ring may fit into canon.
474 – Was going to ignore Pleo’s claim, but Pleo’s mention of having no idea what a vanilla PM looks like seems like Pleo is repeatedly drawing attention to himself, which AR would not do if he had a power role. Thinks that the only pro-Town reason for doing this is to try to draw a NK as a vanilla.
504 – Scum would not play how Chronos is playing, but doesn’t want to believe him either. Fishes for his info again. Responds to ed’s comment about the drawbacks of a name claim (I think). Says that in ed’s example, Chronos remaining silent would be helpful to him and hurtful to Town.
505 – Says that the first half of his post in 504 was responding to Telcontar’s post 500.
515 – Says that Chronos knows not only a role name, but the identity of the person holding that role as well.
518 – Does not trust Chronos at all. Was also wary of Ed’s handshake, because the Scum had fake claims for Harry Potter. Does not like the idea of a mass name claim on Day 1, because there are a ton of names to choose from.
521 – Wonders how Chronos knows that the person he has info about is Town.
597 – Says he has a low post count in this game but is trying hard. It’s his first game. People have already said what he would have said in many cases. Nobody should get a pass for just being themselves. Thinks SP’s “22 people are trying to kill me” was a joke. Agrees with Chronos about USCDiver’s agreement with all the handshakes being scummy. Wants an explanation for the third-vote-scumtell meme. Votes USCDiver, says it’s subject to change if someone else more scummy comes along.
598 – points out he screwed up diver’s name, apologizes
601 – Says that USC is still suspicious for agreeing with all the handshakes, but after looking back at the post in which he did so, sees that he made an honest effort to add to the handshaking, so that seems more town. Unvotes USC.
633 – Says that while he found Chronos’ case against USC compelling, he went back to check on it because he didn’t trust Chronos, and discovered that USC had also offered a handshake of his own. Hence his unvote.
635 – Wonders why everyone is so quick to suggest name claims. Can’t see Pleonast’s fellowship/not claim idea going well. Asks Pleonast why he admits that he’s “not certain it’s useful” when he had claimed to be a power role.
640 – Explains his unvote of Diver again. Asks Hoopy why SP is more suspicious than Chronos. Understands why Chronos is unwilling to give up just the role he knows.
647 – Pleo was repeatedly referring to having a power role, which is suspicious. Thinks he’s trying to get everyone to believe it through repetition or he’s trying to be nightkilled early. Says he is smudging Pleo, because he thinks Scum shouldn’t be able to get away with things because of the “scum wouldn’t do that” argument. Thinks Pleo’s claim was pointless. Believes that calling him out is helping Town. Hopes to generate useful discussion.
651 – Thinks Pleo’s claim was unnecessary and wonders why he did it in the first place. Thinks it’s disingenuous to claim that only he and SP were questioning it, when Gadarene and Meeko (who he calls Peeko, so I guess it could have been peeker) questioned it right after it happened.
654 – Votes Pleonast, again saying he’ll change it if someone scummier comes along. Explains his USC unvote to Red again. (who made an interesting post in between there about how if SP or Astral comes up Scum, he thinks the other might be too, because of that quick vote/unvote when they were tied)
655 – corrects vote coding
660 – Says that after Pleo referred to his claim again, it was no longer just noise, and not his past history. Says that Pleo hasn’t answered the question of why he decided his claim was a good play, and why he should ignore it just because Pleo wants him to.
675 – He’s going on about Pleo because it’s the topic at hand, and it would look bad if he dodged questions about it. Voting for Pleo because his claim was a bad idea, and his fellowship/not idea was a bad idea and he knew it but looked like he was hoping to get other people to go along with it.
684 – Is inexperienced. Now convinced bad ideas aren’t scummy thanks to Hoopy and Pleo. Unvotes Pleo.
734 – Defends himself by saying that he voted USC based on what Chronos said, but then went back and checked it out and unvoted.
735 – Says that he was voting Pleonast because of his claim and his idea, and when more people than could be Scum disagreed with him and showed him why, he unvoted.
736 – 45 minutes passed between his vote and unvote for USCDiver. He voted, then decided to go back and check to make sure, then unvoted. In HP Mafia, which AR was spoiled to and followed, the exact same mistake he made netted two Scum and he knows it, so why would he do it now?
775 – Tells Natlaw that just because someone has a lead doesn’t mean he should throw his vote away on someone else, because it muddies the vote record.
819 – Says he understands Natlaw’s clarification. Says that ed seems to have been trying to spring a gotcha trap for Chronos regarding the wincon section argument. Says that ed is needlessly snarky and attacks people who are trying to help or get clarification. Ed is gung-ho about handshaking when it doesn’t have any effect on who wins or loses. Thinks that ed coming down hard on Chronos for suggesting a name-claim is strange given his attitude toward the handshaking. Thinks ed waffled about whether the handshaking was a success or a failure, and ed is inconsistent. Votes ed.
823 – Fixes vote coding. Says ed is being disingenuous about whether or not the handshake had value.
825 – Asks ed why he asked Chronos what his wincon section said if he didn’t believe he had a wincon section. Says that a handshake failure hands scum a lot of info about town power roles, and now Scum has a vanilla PM since ed has given it to them, even if they didn’t have one before.*
830 – If ed is Scum, he clearly already had the vanilla PM, and is trying to convince Town that he’s vanilla by posting it. Says that Chronos posted an identical wincon to ed and ed still thinks he’s scummy. Wonders why the semantic argument took place when they matched.
831 – Sees what ed was saying with one argument, but thinks the rest of his case still stands. Thinks it’s scummy that ed posted the vanilla PM in the thread.
835 – Asks ed why he posted the vanilla PM if he didn’t think his actions would help Town. Says that ed only defended against one of his points and is trying to make it seem like he defended against all of them.
862 – Believes that ed is Scum. Sees solid Scum reasoning for ed’s actions and weak Town reasoning. Will not vote for someone irrespective of their alignment, and that assumes he knows what that alignment is anyway, which is silly. Thinks that ed’s defense of his vote makes him sound scummier and hasn’t done much to allay his suspicions.
869 – Either ed is Scum and already had the vanilla PM, or he’s a third party and have it and now the Scum does too. There’s no real Town reason for doing what he did. Says that ed didn’t find the handshake useless for another two pages after the matching wincons were posted, so ed is engaging in revisionist history in his defense of the kerfluffle with Chronos.
872-873 involve coding issues.
891 – In the ongoing back-and-forth he had with Guiri in 869 and 862, he says that Guiri is getting a little too meta-gamey by accusing him of confirming somewhere outside of the game thread. He was out of town for the start of the game and didn’t confirm until late. Says that Guiri posted a litany of things he found suspicious about him and then voted for ed, which is suspicious.
894 – Is not sure why Mahaloth started the Day without him confirming. Asks Mahaloth.
918 – Asks Gadarene to stop revealing info about his role PM (which he did in the context of trying to analyze SP’s fake claim).
921 – Is jumpy about all the claims. Says Gadarene’s is less suspicious than some. Is convinced that some of the claimants are Scum.
924 – Says he saw more PM talk and thought “not this again.”
925 – Posts thoughts about SP. Thinks either the format of Town power role PMs is not consistent, or he is Scum making up a claim. Says something weird I don’t understand regarding Chronos also potentially being Scum, or maybe not. Suggests we let SP live a couple of days to get info, then lynch him, at which point we know whether it’s truthful or should be disregarded. Still happy to vote ed.
928 – Says that the something weird about Chronos is inconclusive right now. Reiterates the idea of keeping SP alive then lynching him.
929 – Says he suggests lynching SP rather than NKing him because Scum will not NK him unless he’s Town.
980 – If ed flips Town, he would hope that people would take a long hard look at his vote for ed, and everyone else’s as well. Agrees with Telcontar that we should give SP time to do investigations, even if he doesn’t necessarily trust him. Hopes ed is not taking things personally. Doesn’t believe ed and doesn’t like the way ed defended himself.
986 – There’s still value in going over ed’s posts if he flips Scum. Is glad ed has not taken offense at anything.
1089 – Jokes about how he will never live down his vote/unvote of USC. Hopes his future actions will change USC’s mind about him. Can understand if ed has been glossing over his posts after their arguments.
1109 – Explains to peeker that SP’s claim is not trusted because it’s inconsistent, both in canon and in format. Agrees with Gadarene’s case against SP, but doesn’t want SP lynched because of the possibility that he’s telling the truth. He should be given a couple of days. Thinks that nobody has confirmed his role PM format because if they did, they’d be volunteering info that they’re a power role. He has a penis.
1110 – Gadarene made his post 1109 redundant.
1112 – Can understand why someone with a power role might not want to step forward and say his PM is similar to SP’s.
1113 – Thinks that if someone has a PM that mentions “Servant of Darkness” it might be confirmation, but would understand if nobody came forward.
1118 – Asks Hoopy if he’s saying that we shouldn’t look too closely at those who voted for SP if he flips Town.
1120 – Says he wasn’t defending SP by posting possible reasons why nobody has stepped forward to say their PM is similar to his. Thinks SP is probably Scum but would still like to delay his lynch a bit.
1128 – If we let SP live and he claims he was roleblocked or investigated the person who was NKed, it’s not necessarily an auto-lynch but he’d look really scummy, so much that he’d almost guarantee a vote for him.
1175 – Good job, glad we didn’t listen to me.
1278 – Can’t defend against Red Skeezix’s vote for him, because it’s a valid interpretation of his actions. (An aside here–Red’s actual premise for the vote was wrong–he says that Astral was voting for USCDiver, when he was actually voting for ed.)
1279 – Should have bleached the quote.
1377 – Lurking is a slight scum tell. Is in favor of pressuring low-post-count people.
1471 – Started his MFA program and is busy. Wants to review the Chipacabra case before voting.
1656 – Yells at peeker for finding his absence concerning, because he said in-thread that he was starting his MFA. Says that when he pointed out Pleo’s second role claim, the first person to agree with him was SP. Thinks that SP was trying to hide behind him to smudge a Town player, and therefore Pleo is probably Town.
1720 – The game is intimidating. Thinks that Chip is probably Scum and is definitely going to swing based on the number of votes. Thinks ed is scummier than Chip and votes for him. Calling out Chronos was scummy, screwing up the handshake when he’d done it 4 times before was scummy.
1759 – When votes have been off it was moderator error, not a vote-changer.
1760 – Mahaloth made his “no comment” post while Astral was typing 1759.
Left out the Night post explaining his name.
1850 – Says ed was responsible for outing Gadarene. Votes ed. Thanks Chronos for linking back to his hash. Asks Mahaloth what the special objects were.
1864 – Asks same question to Mahaloth again.
1868 – Calls Meeko out for saying that he thinks ed is Town but should be voted for anyway.
1869 – NETA to add that the more he thinks about what Meeko said, the scummier it seems. Can’t think of a reason for suggesting that a player should be voted for even if they’re Town.
1887 – Asks ed if he used the powers portion of his role PM to handshake in previous games.
1896 – Lays out a six-part case against ed that is mostly just a reiteration of his previous cases in one convenient location.
1900 – Coding error
1933 – Says my post involving the “inevitability” of ed’s lynch was weird, and that ed did a good job of breaking it down so he won’t address it further. Says Red is ignoring why he and Chronos are voting for ed, that it’s not just because the handshake didn’t work. Asks ed again if he used the powers section in previous handshakes.
1954 – Potential scenarios: Ed is Town, made a mistake in using the powers section of his PM to handshake, or Ed is Scum, and used the powers section purposely. Does not think these two options are equally likely, given that Ed has handshaken (handshook?) in the past and should have known not to make that mistake.
1958 – Thanks ed for answering his question, and is going to go back and look at his case against him to make sure it still holds water.
2020 – Most even spread of voting we’ve had all game.
2024 – comment on video
2047 – Asks Chronos to elaborate on his comment about the peeker-Hoopy argument looking manufactured.
I’m just going to list the things I noticed at this point. It’s faster.
–Repeats several times that he doesn’t trust Chronos, then votes based on a Chronos analysis, which he then unvotes quickly after checking it out. And as Red Skeezix points out, the timing of that vote/unvote was suspect.
–Defense of SP occurs in 597, 640, 651 (somewhat), and repeatedly post-fakeclaim. I especially find the whole “Power roles might not be confirming him because they don’t want to be outed” portion of it pretty telling.
–Lots of strange equivocation. “I’ll unvote if someone scummier comes along” is used more than once. Of course you will!
–In 675, is concerned with looking bad.
–Makes a “Scum wouldn’t do that” argument in his own defense in 736.
–Tells Natlaw that he shouldn’t be voting for someone else just because the other candidate is the clear lynch leader in 775, then does that himself the next Day in 1720, when Chip is the clear lynch leader and he votes ed, and points out that his vote won’t make a difference because Chip will swing, but he’s still 80% sure Chip is Scum.
–In 825, makes a potential slip implying knowledge that ed is Town.
–In 1278, says he can’t defend against Red’s reasoning for voting for him, when Red had a clear mistake in his case. I have to think that he knew who he was voting for, seeing as he later kept that vote, and probably should have called Red out on at least that. I’m not entirely sure what this means, but it seems like I should include it.
–This one’s just kinda funny, and not part of my official case since he had RL reasons for doing so, but in 1377 he said lurking was a slight scum tell, then commenced posting much less frequently than he had been.
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt on Day One because he was new. I probably should have paid more attention, because looking at it all in one place is pretty damning. He was doing his level best to keep SP alive. I think his errors point more to newbie Scum than newbie Town.
unvote Pleonast
vote Astral
And I’ve done a WOW on Nanook, because he has fewer posts so it’s easier. (Drain, you’re a hell of a trooper.) It’s posted below. The commentary is mine alone, the links will take you to specific posts. If I’ve mischaracterized anything in my commentary - I try to just summarize - please post and let everyone know.
19: Signs up to play.
138:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12792767&postcount=138) Confirms PM. Disagrees with peeker’s call to name claim. Somewhat agrees with Chronos’ analysis of how to hunt scum (per discussion between Chronos and Red Skeezix)
366: Handshaking won’t work if you assume scum have cover roles, as in previous Mahaloth games. Advises to ignore Pleo’s claim - he loves to do it, but the claim tells us nothing.
673: Prefers actual content over post count/lurker reasoning. Questions Astral’s vote flipping. Back and forth on Plankton. Says Pleo’s “fellowship claim” idea is terrible based on previous Mahaloth games - there’s no reason to assume all of the fellowship is in the game; could give scum a solid fake claim. Votes for Astral.
678: Removes objection against Pleo - Pleo is unfamiliar with previous Mahaloth games. Still thinks the fellowship claim is a very bad idea.
797: Objects to Plankton’s reasoning behind his vote for Pleonast. Changes his vote to Plankton - if he’s scum, his Pleo vote is either a clumsy attempt to get him to claim or a ham-handed bus attempt.
836: Gives scum motivation in handshake attempt in response to ed’s question. Leaves vote on Plankton, but thinks ed and peeker are play fighting.
920: Doesn’t understand Gadarene’s plea to stop revealing PM info - it doesn’t reveal anything especially since there’s one supposed vanilla role posted. Win condition is after powers section. Leaves vote on Plankton.
1349: Asks ed about shoes. Explains that ed’s posts seem to indicate he got two role PMs, Glorfindel as a scum cover role. Thinks ed is in “leaning town” bucket for now.
1421: Votes for Chip because he’s playing radically differently in this game than he did in his last game (Harry Potter).
1442: Says that Power Role claims (esp detective claims) should not be a Get Out of Lynch Free card, even if only for one day. Plankton’s claim just reeked to high heaven.
1456: Questioned by peeker about Pleo’s power claim, says he doesn’t agree with it. Can’t say what he thinks Pleo’s next move should be because there’s too many possible roles he could be.
1458: Says Chip is mistaken in accusing him of short term thinking as he thinks longer term than most people do. Reflexive unvote stance damaging to Mafia the game, or at least damaging to Town in general. OK with actual detectives that claim poorly getting lynched because of it. (Snickers’ note: I might have mangled this one.)
1477: If Pleo is a detective, he shouldn’t claim because the doctor night-killed last night. Scum doesn’t know what he is now, so they might not kill him - too risky to hit a Scotsman. If he does claim, then scum knows exactly what to do. Full claim from Pleo not positive for town.
1478: Answers Chronos’ question about whether Pleo always does this - twice before, that he knows of. Not an always thing. First time he was a super Scotsman of sorts; second time, he was a town power role.
1479: With doc dead, if Pleo claims detective, he’s dead the next night or will burn a RB until he dies.
1541: Tempted to vote for peeker or ed to stop the fluff posts that don’t help anyone.
1681: Meeko needs to stop focusing on how sideways he perceives the game to be and just play it. By definition, you can’t know everything as a player in the game.
1839: Night post explaining the origin of his SDMB handle.
1876: Says Pleo’s claim means nothing with dead power roles. Not enough information during a game to know how many power roles make sense.
1920: Bouncing back and forth on ed.
1984: Considering before voting. Says Meeko isn’t necessarily scum because he won’t let go of Pleo’s claim; he’s just like that. Says Pleo’s hanging on to MHaye’s acronym thing too strongly.
1996: Let go of issue when there’s no new info to be gained. Votes Snickers for backtracking on her ed vote yesterDay - it’s either a scum buddy backing off a bus or scum trying to avoid accountability.
2029: Responds to Snickers saying that she voted for ed when he was in no danger, but now backs off of that vote today when he is. Big difference between the two.
2052: Responds to Meeko - you handle issues on case-by-case basis; there’s no clear line saying when to let go.
Wait, what? You’re not paying attention. I never commented on how scummy MHaye is–if anything, I’ve repeatedly said that I think the “slip” Pleonast points out makes him more likely to be TOWN! Post 1959 was me trying to get Pleonast to respond to my argument. I can’t see how post 1959 (conveniently quoted below) can be read that way by anyone who isn’t skimming. Wow.
Sorry for not bleaching there, Mahaloth.
Seriously? You vote peeker for anti-town post spamming while making this kind of voting posts to what end?
Vote Pleonast
I get the idea you want to get lynched.
Not much to catch up to so that gives me time to look at the people I listed earlier.
Actually Drain - you are right. When I read your post, I thought you were referring to Mhaye as the “scummiest” followed by a vote for Pleonast. On a more careful re-read I see you were consistently referring to Pleonast. My apologies.
If you think that a post voting and explaining why is spam, we have very different ideas about what constitutes spam.
**Vote Count:
Specialed(3): Astralrejection, Chronos, Doctorwho
Astralrejection(4): Redskeezix, Specialed, Oneandonly, Drainbead
Pleonast(2): Meeko, Natlaw
Snickers (2): Nanook, USCDiver
Hoopy(1): Peeker
Peeker(2): Hoopy, Pleonast**
I think the reason why you say peeker spamming is anti-town is because it adds needless posts to wade through without much content.
I say that your posting of four votes in blue but only bolding one to make it count adds needless confusion to wade through is anti-town in a similar way.
Yes, we could skim peekers post and your votes (and just look at the official vote count). But it was commented about before and then you just take the confusion a step further and use bolding instead of order to make the correct vote. In my opinion you’re doing it just to be annoying as the logical step was to make only the vote you wanted to count blue and the rest blank instead playing with order or font style.
Drainbead, your write-up of my posting history is rife with errors. Let me help you out.
On day one, I shouldn’t trust anybody. And yet, a compelling case is a compelling case. I’m not entirely sure why I shouldn’t vote a case that makes sense to me. Hell, I’ve agreed with Ed repeatedly about various things, and I’m still voting for him. You’ll notice I’m “agreeing” with Chronos by voting for Ed today, too; are you going to hold that against me?
I’m pretty sure that “somewhat” applies to all of my posts about SP, not just that one. On post 640, I’m not even defending SP; I’m asking Hoopy to clarify why SP is more scummy than Chronos. 651 is a real stretch, considering I don’t mention Suburban Plankton anywhere in that post.
Really? I’m justifying my early votes, and explaining that they aren’t set in stone.
Sure, if you leave off half my post. I explain why I’m still talking about it, and then elaborate on why I’m voting for Pleo. Mentioning looking scummy was a direct response to Nanook. But it’s convenient for you to leave that off.
Actually, I’m making an “I wouldn’t do that” argument. Unless you think I’m specifically outing myself as scum in that post? I wrote that I agree that there could be scum motivation, and also point out my town motivation. And then I explain why the town motivation is more likely.
Complete fiction. I voted for ed because I believed he was scummier, as I pointed out in that very post. Chip being the clear lynch leader had nothing to do with my vote.
In that specific post, I’m postulating a third-party special ed. It’s part of a case where I explain why I feel his actions have hurt town. Ed said that a handshake failure only results in a pool of unconfirmed players. I’m explaining why that might not be the case.
I misread him. I did drop and retrieve a “weakly-motivated” vote for USCDiver. In my opinion, it wasn’t a defensive vote, but I can’t convince him of that. Regardless, is this truly a scum tell?
If I didn’t know better, you’re hoping to convince more people to vote for me based on this incredibly inaccurate write-up of my voting history, hoping that they won’t, you know, go and check out the specifics for themselves. Nice of you to leave off quotes to the posts in question just in case they felt like looking. Jeez, Special Ed. Is this what it felt like when I was confused about the handshaking?
Unvote Special Ed.
Vote Drain Bead For this terrible write-up of my post history, and for the curious post you made (#1913), where you make all kinds of assumptions that aren’t necessarily true. Throw in your hedging, and your waffling about Ed’s town or scum alignment, and that’s my vote. I realize this hurts my chances of survival but I believe this will help town.
NETA: When I said “Nice of you to leave off quotes to the posts in question,” I meant “Nice of you to leave off links to the posts in question.”
Not a full WoW on Guiri, but the main theme of his contributions center around the question whether scum had a vanilla town role PM or not.
-the case against ed depends on it
-the case against suburban did (if they had, why the messed up PM)
-the case against Chipa came down to it.
And about Astral:
I still think that Astral did a good thing by looking back and verifying his reasons to vote. I see Drain Bead listed some more reasons and voted against the ‘inevitable’ special ed lynch so will look at them later.
Guiri - you were scum in Mahaloth’s last game - did the poilyjuice potion include a role PM (I don’t remember if it was just a name or not)?
Anyway I think when ed gets his PM, his first must be ‘how can use this to win the game’ so the fact that the previously did it as town doesn’t mean his is now.
Unvote Pleonast
I doubt he’ll stop being annoying before he dies - but scum wise is a null tell especially with his history.
Vote Special Ed
In addition to the reason summed up above - Telcontar and Gadarene shouldn’t have tried to shake, but Chronos was on the ball yet ed kept fishing. While later he argued that he was looking to handshake with vanilla’s not trying to trap scum-with-different-PM.