neta: and of course since i don’t drink i will merely observe other’s reactions.
but you have to admit that some good opera coupled with good food and outstanding libations are really one of og’s gifts to mankind.
I’ll take the food and drink, Og can keep the opera. Or send it to oblivion for all I care.
Another point in connection to peeker: Right after we killed special ed, he insisted up and down that we should have killed Astral instead (even though he himself was not voting for Astral), and that not doing so left us with “the Astral quandary”, and so on. Now that we’re finally getting around to killing him, though, he’s implicitly assuming that Astral is Town, like with the whole “Natlaw had information about a Town player” thing. Who thinks that he was maybe trying to get the Detective to investigate Astral, and is changing his tune now that it’s apparent that’s not going to happen?
i’ll accept that. maybe some handel or schubert, then. but if it is going to be c & w i’ll skip the food and take up drinking again.
and diver did i sufficiently address your questions/observations? not that you necessarily have to agree with my conclusions. matter of fact, at this point, i would imagine that you heartily disagree. but with multiple variables i think you would agree that different conclusions can be reached (i am sure that chronos will now come in and show me how that is wrong :)) even if they are not identical to our own.
It’s an interesting theory. If Astral comes back a godfather it would gain a lot of credence in a hurry.
since ed flipped town you don’t think it would be better for him to be alive since apparantly we are going to lynch astral toDay?
and to be honest, chronos, i don’t get the whole strategy of voting between two players that you get town vibes from as opposed to voting for who you find the scummiest. shoot wanderer has already stated that he voted for ed even though he believed him to be town. he kind of inferred that he believed nat so he wasn’t going to vote for astral. well, heck instead of voting for someone you believe to be town why not vote for someone you believe to be scum? that’s just too easy of an out for scum. well i knew they were not scum (because of course scum would know that) but i had to vote for someone, type of attitude.
and chronos if i were scum i would know that they have an rb (if we believe nook) so why the heck would i care who the durn dick would investigate if i was in possession of knowledge that it wasn’t going to happen anyways?
How about when it’s 30 minutes from day end and you believe both leading contenders to be town? Throwing a vote on who I thought waqs scum would have done bugger all to get them lynched and one of the people I thought to be town would still swing.
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but if you really felt that way why would you not take a lynch that at least provides some additional information?
and did you believe both contenders to be town before or after nat’s information?
and one other point chronos. if i were scum and if astral is a gf type and if i am trying to get our claimed dick to investigate him to come back town then why in the world would i even consider letting my team mates block him?
remember the "if"s, people.
seriously, i suck at this game but even i wouldn’t be that dumb.
before nat
I believed Ed town and Astral scum
after nat
Given the timing, such that it was still likely Astral would swing regardless, I took Nat’s claim at face value. With the info available at that time I could not imagine it being a gambit for scum to save scum, which made Astral town.
(I still am not convinced Astral is scum btw, I can’t make this stack with the timing on Nat’s claim)
So I chose to save what I considered to be a confirmed townie, over one that had been (irreperably it seemed) tainted by the handshake fiasco.
and that is fair enough. you know i wholeheartedly disagree with your conclusion and actions but i at least understand your thought process. but frack, it’s mafia so situation normal.
mod question: can we get an updated vote count, please? and if you would answer my durn pm’s i would be deeply indebted to you.
Peeker in Day 5
[post=12903026]Post 2410[/post]. Peeker votes for OAOW, saying that “votes are cheap early on.” That’s a somewhat ambiguous statement; I first read it as Peeker still thinking we were in the early game, but we’re not. Day 5 is solidly in the midgame, with plenty of previous debate and actions to base votes on. Alternatively, he could mean that it’s early in this Day, which is true, but the game has passed beyond the time when throwaway votes are appropriate.
His grounds are that OAOW voted to save Astral in Day 3; something that was, at the time, a reasonable thing to do as it gave time to explore whether Natlaw’s claim was true. If it had later turned out that Natlaw was Town, we’d have exposed Natlaw for nothing. Since we now know Natlaw was one of the minions, this looks (in retrospect) like a bad decision; nevertheless at the time we did not know that. Given that Ed received six votes, it’s surely unthinkable that all those players could have been among SAHM. That would just be too many minions, and we’d have been swarmed now (remember that one had, at that point, already been lynched, so that would imply seven bad guys at the start; too many for a 23 player game without some extremely powerful Town roles.) I’m aware that I voted Ed that Day; while I am Town, there’s no good reason why I should expect you to believe me at this stage.
[post=12905985]Post 2466[/post]. Peeker weighs in on a discussion between Astral and USCDiver suggesting that no-one would believe for a second that Sauron was a Townie (as AR seemed to think in post [post=12880149]post 2198[/post]). This doesn’t tell us much, as either AR or Peeker could be honestly reporting their beliefs, or one could be obfuscating to disguise the fact they know very well what role Sauron is playing in this game.
([post=12907193]Post 2470[/post]. USCDiver; no-one is arguing that Sauron would be Town. The point is that a Godfather has to be able to credibly appear to be Town, and that is, for Sauron, canonically impossible. He’s no longer able to disguise his essential nature (he lost that with the fall of Numenor). Consequently, Sauron with a Godfather role is implausible in the extreme.) In [post=12908495]post 2477[/post], Snickers points out to Peeker that Sauron-the-Godfather would claim a cover role, rather than admit to being Sauron. If we have a Sauron-the-Godfather, that player must have a cover role. I just don’t believe Sauron is a Godfather. Like Chronos, my a priori expectation was that if there was a Godfather it would be Saruman. After all, he managed to stay under cover until the Council of Elrond.
[post=12910748]Post 2495[/post]. Peeker makes a most interesting statement. He says that “the fact that known [SAHM] was given a town name…” Now, the only known member of SAHM who had another player’s role name was Natlaw, who asserted that AR was Pippin Took. That Peeker was referring to Natlaw is made quite clear by [post=12911063]post 2502[/post]. Why does Peeker assert that AR is Town? How does he know?
[post=12914163]Post 2523[/post]. Peeker continues to attempt to draw parallels between Natlaw’s knowing AR’s name and Chronos knowing that Gadarene was Aragorn, ignoring the significant differences (namely that since Gadarene was Town and Chronos knew his role on Day 1, Chronos must have been told by the Mod as part of his role; whereas Natlaw could have learned AR’s role name in a couple of ways, and did not reveal his knowledge until Day 3.)
[post=12914668]Post 2529[/post]. Responds to a question about whether it might be reasonable for Red Skeezix (who was Eomer) to think someone claiming to be Eowyn was Town by saying that there was nothing in Ed’s handshake to make him think Ed was town. When Chronos pushed him about Red Skeezix, he replied [post=12914852]”depending on what power or knowledge they might claim, sure.”[/post]
He’s doing all he can to not answer questions.
At this stage, I’d rather lynch Peeker than AR, because I’m more certain that Peeker is one of the minions than AR is.
Vote Peeker.
I’ll update the vote count later.
Also, I have cross-country practice tomorrow after school. I will make the following change:
**Day will end at 11:00 AM tomorrow. **
Because it was pretty apparent to many players here that Nanook was not going to investigate Astral last Night. There is no reason if Astral is GF for scum not to block the detective.
And the previous Night, (after Ed’s lynch), Astral would have been a decent choice for investigation and/or vigging. So bringing attention to him made sense if you can get the investigator to investigate him. Sure, you risk vigging in exchange, but at that point the evidence suggested we have a trigger-shy vig or none at all. And besides, if the GF gets vigged that night, you could still get the Dick to burn an investigation.
(And at this point in the game, seeing as how Astral is still alive, we either have a sleeping vig or none at all.)
In conclusion, your protestations do nothing to refute Chronos’s point.
otie dotie.
what questions do you want answered mhaye? i mean i will at least try.
Well, if it makes you feel better, you’ll be vindicated tomorrow. I’ve been thinking about this game a lot last night, trying to figure out how best to use my death to help town. Since I know I’m town, and you guys don’t, my death will hopefully provide a lot of information pointing at scum. Here’s what I think:
Snickers thinks I’m scum because I brought up something he was waiting for me to bring up. I’m not sure how “defending myself by pointing at past actions” makes me more scummy, when he was already using those actions to consider me town. It’s the kind of ass-backwards “gotcha!” move to justify a vote that I would expect scum to use. I want you guys to look very, very closely at him tomorrow after I swing.
USCDiver’s insistence on Sauron not being in the game is incredibly fishy. Claiming that I wasn’t justifying my hypothetical enough for his taste is weird. The very first post of this game mentions Sauron. Our role PMs mention Sauron. Claiming I’m scum for assuming Sauron is in the game, and making an additional leap that he’d be the Godfather, is weird to me. Take a very close look his way, too.
I want to go on record as saying I would defo prefer a peeker lynch today.
I don’t agree with the reasoning that Astral must be scum because that’s the only way Natlaw could have known his name. While it’s unlikely that scum have another investigative role, I still suspect that Natlaw based his false claim on his real role PM as the sentence about learning the name if the watched player is asleep seems more fitting for a watcher/tracker role than an investigator. This does not exonerate Astral but puts me back to where I was on Days 1 and 3. I’m suspicious but I don’t think he’s the scummiest.
I think Peeker’s the scummiest right now. All the weird stuff with the imaginary PMs *, the imaginary masonry, his votes on OaOW for acting based on a cop claim, on Chronos for no apparent reason, his unwillingness to explain his unvote of Chronos, his vote on cucuy for being anti-town while pretending to be sure he’s found x scum, his apparent knowledge of Astral’s alignment and his attempt at fabricating a case against Chronos based on a completely different and unknown precedent.
Vote peekercpa
- There may well be actual PMs but if Mahaloth had accidentally provided Peeker with game-breaking information, I’m confident that he would have been mod-killed. I have no idea what other kind of information Peeker may have received but he’s doing a terrible job of “not mentioning it “in thread”” as explicitly requested by the Mod and he’s apparently trying to use the post restriction to his advantage .
As an aside, cucuy, there are no more substitutions allowed, please stop lurking and play the game!
Will you?
Ok then.
In my post I asked one question outright, and discussed how you outright avoided answering a second. Try them for starters.
**Vote Count:
Astral(8): Chronos, USCDiver, Meeko, Innerstickler, Snickers, Drainbead, Hoopy, Doctorwho
Peeker(4): Oneandonly, Nanook, MHaye, Guiri
Cucuy(1): Peeker
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