Look, I know you can read, so you know perfectly well that it doesn’t say that.
Like I said…we’ve done this one before, and it’s something that people get emotional about and besides…it’s really really really fun to imagine that the reason someone is doing something is because they are an asshole and/or stupid and not because they honestly think it’s the best thing to do. Demonizing people who dissagree with you is not fighting ignorance, even if you are right.
but reality is that a lot of people (most in my experiance) that run loud pipes do so so that they can feel safer…not because they are trying to annoy people or compensate for something. The last few bikes I’ve owned have been european and pretty stock and I’ve found that I have more people who don’t know I’m there because of it. Luckily, I ride taking that into account and so I still have all my parts.
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You implied that I’ve been lucky riding my muffled bmw motorcycle and not loosing hearing because of it.
I didn’t bother to read the rest of the cite you quoted because the part you quoted was nonsense.
If you meant something different, you didn’t say so.
Actually, what you said was:
See where I quoted that earlier? The “you’ve been lucky” remark applies to that, too.
Ok, maybe I was wrong about you. Evidently, you can’t read, after all. Which part did you think was nonsense, so that I might explain it to you?
I can accept that. Really, I can. I just don’t agree that a perception of safety that may or may not exist shouldn’t hold up to disturbing the peace. Sure, the people who put loud pipes on their bike may do it with good intentions…but when they’re told it disrupts and annoys people, then they get defensive and their pipes become a point of pride in retaliation.
I mean, if you can deal with being near-universally hated, there’s little convincing to be done.
See, we were talking about wind noise there. Try to keep up with the conversation.
Your post was about engine noise. but even still, your quote implied that most motorcyles are dangerously loud. Thats not the case.
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Actually, I can read, and apparently you’re running out of rope because you have to try insults to make your point. you posted a link to an article with a quote from it indicating tha tmost motorcycles are dangerously loud.
Since I worked on, ridden and been around thousands of motorcycles that do rise the noise levels as indicated in your quote, I didn’t need to read further. It showed me the article you linked to was flawed and I do not need to waste my time with it.
if someone posts an article with a quote saying that drinking coffee will cause all your hair to fall out I don’t need to read that article. I drink coffee, I know a lot of people who do and have lots of hair. I have considerable experiance in the coffee industry. and a good deal of expertese in coffee. I can say it’s nonsense without having to bother with it.
I think there’s a line to be drawn there. Some are too loud, I agree.
I’m mainly arguing towards intention and to some degree, effect.
No, you weren’t.
No. What the article said was that half of the 30 randomly-selected bikes the study evaluated, almost half (that’s not “most” no matter how much you stretch the definition) had a decibel reading well above the level where the potential for cumulative hearing loss from chronic exposure exists. Just because you have not experienced such any such hearing loss (or have you–in all likelihood, you don’t know) doesn’t mean that’s the general case for the average rider. You analogy is stupid, because there exists no scientific evidence that that coffee causes hair loss; however, we have copious evidence that chronic exposure to sounds above 85 dB can lead to progressive, permanent hearing loss. We also now have at least some (and reasonable people may disagree as to the reliability) that a significant number of street bikes may expose riders to such levels. You may feel free to ignore this information, but pretending it’s “nonsense” is simple willful ignorance.
Yes…We were. We talking about ear plugs being used on normal motorcycles to combat wind noise. The quote of mine that you took was talking about that.
You said I was lucky because this study said …ok…a large amount were above safe levels. I responsded that I knew what safe levels sounded like because I had done my own tests on my own bike. the bikes I have been around have not been that loud at the rider position, with few exceptions.
Sure I do, I had my hearing tested…Turned out I was having an ear wax build up problem.
So is your cite
No, we have your cite that shows that there exist some bikes at this levels. Not that I or my friends or customers who have not experianced hearing oss from riding are of that level (which you implied, no matter how much you try to change that)
Nope. it doesn’t. I means you grabbed some information that you thought said something that it didn’t, and now are all bent out of shape because I didn’t except it so you are resorting to insults.
No one made the claim that wind noise causes hearing loss, so your protestation is baseless. All you said was you hadn’t gone deaf from riding, full stop. Nothing about wind noise.
How do you know? You said you’ve only taken a reading on your own bike.
Convenient.
Saying it doesn’t make it so. Not even if you keep saying it.
Nor did I claim otherwise. You seem to not understand the principle of random sampling. In any case, even if you are certain you’re experience no significant hearing loss as a result of riding loud bikes, you can’t possible know if all the other bikers you know have. Claiming you do only makes you a liar.
Huh? It says exactly what I think it says. It will continue to do so despite your assertion to the contrary.
I only knew he was there because I heard him. Sometimes a lot of traffic will cause you to concentrate on other things. If people infront slow down for no apparent reason ,you have to pay a lot of attention to them. At least i do.
Let’s say you hadn’t heard him. What would have happened?
scroll up and read a bit. there was a conversation about it.
As I explained, I took a reading on my bike, and know what it sounded like. I’ve ridden and worked on quite a few since then. they were not as loud. seriously, you critize my reading skills?
Actually it wasn’t. Ever had them scrape your ears out and use a water jet thing? It’s unpleasant really.
Right back at you.
I do, in fact, do you? Do you understand that 30 bikes or so is a small sample?
I didn’t say that. I said I experianced no hearling loss as a result of riding bikes period. Most of them are not loud.
If the bikers I know can hear a conversation just fine, then it’s a reasonable assumption.
It will in your mind at least.
For QED, so he wont have to strain himself.
This is what lead up to my coment about not going deaf. You can read that, I’m sure.
No, but your understanding of human sensory perception is lacking. Your ears are no substitute for a meter and are simply not capable of making the kinds of accurate comparisons you claim you are.
No, it isn’t. Subjective impressions are never a basis for factual assertions. That’s why science doesn’t rely on them.
Also, tinnitus isn’t deafness. I infer your comment, which was made in the larger context of a discussion of loud pipes, was meant as a blanket statement that bike riding doesn’t lead to deafness or hearing loss, whether from wind noise or any other cause. Funny you didn’t object that you really meant wind noise until you painted yourself into a corner.
Nonsense. Nobody is talking about laboratory measurements. Well, maybe you are, but you’re grasping at straws. is bike a or b louder can be pretty well determined by just listening.
Ok…If you can hear a conversation your not deaf. Period. My statement was that nobody I knew was deaf from riding a motorcycle. I stand by that. if you need more than that you have problems I cant help you with.
geez man, DO YOUR OWN READING. At first someone mentioned tinitus, then someone else mentioned going deaf. I made a simple statement that nobody I new went deaf from riding. We were talking about wind noise. You jumped to a big ole conclusion and were wrong, and starting with the insults and nitpicking. I’m not even close to being "painted into a corner’…what a goofy thing to say.
Give it a rest…you are just making yourself look foolish at this point.
Here ya go QED, wouldn’t want you to strain yourself. Here’s where the deaf thing came in…again, talking about wind.
As penance for starting this thread, the “Banditos” motorcycle gang has come to town. Google them if you want to see what nice boys they are. There are hundreds of them. Our town has six stop lights. They’ve brought in 150 rent-a-cops to keep an eye on them. What I have seen has only reinforced my views on loud pipes. There’s a direct correlation between the loudness of their ride and their appearance. If they don’t have a helmet, are wearing their ‘colors’ vest and no shirt, have tricked out facial hair and a ponytail, torn jeans and ‘I’ll stomp you to death’ boots; their bike will be deafening. If they have a helmet and are dressed ‘normally’ their bike will have stock pipes. It’s all about image. None of these sumbitches gives a shit about safety.
To any of you that took offense to this thread, Staaaart yourrrrr gloating! I live about fifty feet from Main St., there’s probably five bikes a minute going past. The foundation of my home is shaking. Fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck. These guys go to bed early right? :rolleyes:
The Bandidos are fine upstanding gentlemen (remember those colors are red and gold, not yellow) and I have nothing bad to say about any of them. Ever…not even in jest.
And thats club, not gang. It’s important you remember that.
It’s official, you are an idiot.
I think I’m done here. Someone else can thump on your thick skull for a while.