I think Louie was right the first time. She’s an asshole. I honestly don’t understand why he likes her so much.
Well, if our speculations are correct and the next Louie season is about Getting a Show, then LCK himself may have some interesting things to say about these unicorn-like creatures. ^_~
Certainly she fails to be the conventional-in-fiction “selfless, adoring woman” and also fails to be the even-more-conventional “nagging obstacle to all the hero’s goals.” So to me that explains why LCK is interested in exploring that character, and his own character’s reactions to her. (He’s all about subverting conventions.)
They already did a trilogy about him trying to get a TV show.
That was the offer to get the Letterman host gig, and he never really had a chance at that. The network was just using him to get Letterman to reduce his salary demands. IIRC, Louie cost Letterman $2 million a year on the contract renewal.
I think this show he should try to get will be more along the lines of whatever the Mark Maron’s show is in this universe. I’m sure it’s not like what Maron already has on Sundance (?), which just started it’s second season not too long ago.
And did anyone else catch Pamela tell Louie on the phone at the beginning of Part II (when he was calling to make a date with her) that it was 2017? Or did I hear that wrong?
Maron’s show is on IFC
I barely catch the show unfortunately. I just saw the episode where his daughter was caught smoking marijuana. What a fantastic episode.
It didn’t seem like it was being preachy at all. I’ve also heard Louie CK joke about pot in his stand-up. I agree with malaka that the actor playing the principle could have learned his lines, he stumbled delivering them twice. Other than that, the acting was, in my opinion, fantastic. ESPECIALY the child actors.
The beginning of the episode had some hilarious parts, but it soon turned into a flat-out drama. That’s not a bad thing. From what I’ve seen, the show has a lot of dramatic moments. It was entertaining and smart. I had no idea that Louie CK was capable of something like this, (once again, I’ve only caught a handful of episodes), even if he was drawing from his real life… this ‘mini-movie’ proved to me that he’s capable of some pretty incredible things that don’t just fall into the realm of comedy.
You heard right. She was just turning a stale joke on its head by using a future year instead of a past one.
This. I was telling my wife tonight that his intense interest in her is totally unexPlainable and breaks my suspension of disbelief. Her personality is repulsive in every single way. Really seems like a genuinely bad human being. After just losing his one heartbreak to Hungary it’s jarring and unconvincing that he would go head over heels nuts for Pamela and even less so because of her dreadful treatment of him.
I don’t know, Louie is pretty unlikeable as well. He’s mopey and passive aggressive and seems to expect a girlfriend because he somehow deserves a girlfriend, classic nice guy syndrome. I thought the exchange between Pamela and Louie was telling; he asked her why she was so mean to him and she asked him why he liked it.
Louie is a complete headcase around women. He’s manipulative, plays mind games, won’t take no for an answer. He has all these hang-ups about sex and how vile it is, and how men are debasing women by desiring them. He’s always beating himself up about relationships and it probably makes him feel comfortable for Pamela to do the same.
I just finished watching the whole series for the first time. There was lots to like but the relationship segments are horrible.
I agree the relationship segments are horrible, but that’s why I like them. The scene where he tells Pamela he loves her and then gets pissy when she doesn’t say it back really rang true for me. He wants her to be someone she’s not. It begs the question is he really in love with her, or with the idea of her?
Missed the edit window, but I just remembered the episode in which Louie hits on a cashier who rejects his advances and then he follows her home on the subway (creepy as shit). Plus he pretty much traps Pamela in his apartment; in her words, “this would be rape if you weren’t so stupid.” Louie’s no catch.
I’ve gotten bored with Louie’s quest for romance. To me, the most fascinating relationships are between Louie and his daughters, Lilly and Jane.
The two girls are so wonderful and lovable, but so scary and mysterious and infuriating. Every time they’re shown, I want to shout at the screen “Wait! Wait! What’s up with her? Why did she do that? What’s going on?”
It’s quite amazing.
You have the Season 3 episode when it looks like Lilly is getting harassed by her friends about nerds or something and then she’s grumpy and rude and goes in the closet to read. Then, of course, this season, you have the landmark marijuana episode.
And in that same episode in Season 3, Jane asks to attend a “new kind of class.” Louie never has the time to figure out what she’s talking about, and then this season she freaks out at school about being lied to. And then she spends an episode thinking that she’s dreaming.
Just fascinating. I don’t have kids, so I am getting a second-hand thrill of having these interesting, uncontrollable creatures and it’s your responsibility to make sure they’re okay and they don’t cause mayhem in the world. But how do you know how to do that?
In general, I like Louie least when he strays from his core of slightly fucked up guy trying to be a good dad. This season got a little cheesey for me in places, especially when he’s trying to be Woody Allen. I always get slightly embarrassed for comedians when they try to get serious, it’s usually pretty maudlin. Still one of the best shows on the air.
I totally disagree I think his random, often surreal, short-essay-like films are fantastic. The show is endlessly fascinating in many ways. I just don’t care anymore whether he has a girlfriend.
I absolutely agree with all this. You perfectly explained the difference between the Louie treatment of child characters, and the way child characters have been treated in 99.99% of television shows.
Lilly and Jane aren’t the standard-issue Wisecracking Smart-Alecks; their dialogue and actions are much more realistic. Yet their scenes are entertaining rather than dull and workaday.
LCK is one hell of a writer (and director). More and more, I wonder if we should just get on with crowning him Emperor of Artists.