Did Winchester rifles with the loop lever really exist in the West?
Did cowboys or anyone use them?
They looked like this:
http://www.northforkproductions.net/flip.htm
John Wayne used one in some of his movies.
It seems fancy for a real cowboy.
Did Winchester rifles with the loop lever really exist in the West?
Did cowboys or anyone use them?
They looked like this:
http://www.northforkproductions.net/flip.htm
John Wayne used one in some of his movies.
It seems fancy for a real cowboy.
That rifle is indeed a weird one. It appears from the picture you linked to that the screw that’s threaded throught the “loop” is intended to pull the trigger and thus discharge the rifle during the act of levering. If so, shooting with any accuracy would not be possible. The rifle would be useless at distances of over say, 50 feet.
Did the cowboy install the screw in preparation for a gunfight? Why not simply use a pistol?
Just conjecture on my part, but I doubt that the rifle, as displayed, would be of practical use in the Old West or anywhere else.
Lucas would use the screw whenever he wanted to rapid fire the rifle. Normally it would be set so the screw wouldn’t touch the trigger.
This would allow him to spin the rifle with one hand to eject and put another bullet ready to fire.
Plus, it was an 11 bullet rifle. I think 9 was standard.
Sounds like the modified it for the show per cites below
The Legendary Rifle: A Closer Look
I have Winchester: An American Legend by R.L. Wilson, but it’s been several years since I’ve read it and it is packed away with the rest of my books. However IIRC there is a reference that Winchester did not make a Model 92 with a large loop in the 1800s. I do remember seeing a large-loop carbine in the book, but I think it was a Model 94. Take this FWIW, as my memory may be faulty on this.
I have a Model 92 rifle (long octagonal barrel and rifle stocks) made in 1897 in .32-20 calibre. I believe Winchester currently makes, or at least currently made, a Model 94 carbine with a large loop lever.
The loop looks neat but those of us who use lever rifles in cowboy action shooting regard the large loop as the worst possible modification as we emphasize accuracy and speed together. You just bang your knuckles trying to work the big lever fast. Spinning is of course verboten as it is a profound safety violation. At any rate the '92 doesn’t work with a damn spinning because the cartridges tend fall out of the guides when it’s any position but upright. The earlier ‘73 Winchester has a positive feeding system that will operate upside down or even sideways gangsta’ style if you should so be inclined but I 've never seen one with a “John Wayne” loop.
FWIW I compete with both types, a Miroku made Winchester '92 with 24" round barrel and an Uberti made reproduction '73 with 24" octagon barrel. The '73 is heavier but I prefer it because of the smoothness of the toggle action and more reliable feeding. Lots of folks preferred it back then as well. Even after the Browning designed '92 came on the market the '73 continued in production well into the 20th century.