Lyndon Larouche-Who and what is he?

I’d put this in General Question but I figure that this will turn into a debate soon enough.

I go to a university, and thus, am exposed on a regular basis to Mr. Larouches followers. They seemed nice enough and described him as a “New Deal” Democrat. However, when I got ahold of some of the literature and began skimming it, I was disturbed by how much his political phamphelts reminded me of the Supermarket Tabloids. “Bush is Satan”, “Cheney’s Mental imbalance”? Please tell me this is a parody of his real stuff. It was really hard to read his phamplets because of such things.

So a couple questions.

  1. Has Larouche always been this Bat**** nuts, or is this a result of losing X presidental elections?

  2. Exactly why does he run as a Democrat knowing that he’s never going to win? At least Nader has a very, very SMALL chance of ever actually winning because he’s on the ballot. Larouche…aside from his rather strange followers, I don’t see anyone writing in for him.

A short bio is here

http://www.larouchepub.com/resume.html

What they don’t say is that the guy gets something in the neighborhood of a million bucks in federal campaign money for his efforts. He just does it for the money. Every year. He’s a jerk, but a very savvy jerk.

He’s crazy.

We discussed LaRouche, his background, personal history, organization, politics and theories at great and highly entertaining link in this recent GD thread: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=268703

And this recent GQ thread: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=276478

And here’s a Wikipedia bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_Larouche

Back in the 80s I think it was, before he was better known, Lyndon did get enough votes in a presidential primary to win a delagate, but the party quickly banned the selection.

He had appeared on one of the very early Democratic debates and its not an overstatement to say he made a very “lasting” impression on viewers. :smiley:

Are there no controls for this sort of thing? Doesn’t anyone check so he uses the million for actual campaigning?

Note that that Wikipedia article is under heavy dispute and is subject to constant back-and-forth revisions. Furthermore, the length of the article gives the impression that LaRouche is a major political figure when in fact he isn’t. He’s a crackpot who occasionally fools non-Americans who don’t know who he is into treating him like a statesman.

Note how the Wikipedia article implies that LaRouche was important to the Democratic party in opposing impeachment.

Just read LaRouche literature. It doesn’t make any sense – not quite Unabomber quality madness, but incoherent nevertheless.

Lyndon Larouche was right!! They’re Milking Rats, Miliking Rats!!!

What’s always perplexed me is that LaRouche has a devoted cult-like following, numbering in the hundreds, maybe thousands, nationwide. I cannot understand why anybody who does not have to live inside Lyndon LaRouche’s head would take his ideas seriously, much less devote their lives to fighting for them, but there you are.

Well, it makes sense, assuming that you have no desire to live in the real world.

LaRouche’s basic position is that this country is in a massive economic decline, and has been since the early 1950’s. As proof of this, he points to the stagnation in resource development and extraction. Because the United States mines less copper in 2004 than it did in 1938, we have actually undergone economic decline, is his argument. The development of a service economy, the expansion of white collar jobs, the growth of technical fields and technical production, all based upon blue collar labor and resource extraction being contracted overseas where it can be done cheaper- this is, in his mind, selling off our real economy and will lead to a massive economic depression.

Think about that for a minute or two: your life is inestimably worse than that of your grandparents because you no longer work in a factory or a mine. That’s his essential point.

To stop this coming crisis, LaRouche’s plan is for a new New Deal. This works on two points. First, a massive increase in tariffs to block out cheap foreign goods and to force Americans to rely on American labor and American production again, thus spurring the new creation of industry across the country. Second, a massive investment in infrastructure, specifically: the creation of new dams for every major river in order to provide power for our new factories and mines, as well as jobs for the 25% of Americans he believes to be unemployed; in addition, a huge magnetic train system will be built across the country to support the massive shipment of materials the new mines will produce and our new factories will consume.

So, again- if you’ve every watched a film about the early 20th century and looked at factory workers and massive industry sprawling across the plains and said to yourself, “Geez, I wish we still had that,” LaRouche is your man.
Now, add on top of that his belief that the British Empire, as led by the Queen, is still a global power operating akin to the Illuminati in trying to manipulate world events, the drug market, wars, and poverty (after all, who keeps America down? A bunch of WASPs like the Bushes and the Carters and the Nixons, who obviously serve the British Empire in keeping the American economy in the shitter while shipping off jobs to assist Britain), and add in bald-stated facts that even most leftist here on the board don’t say with a straight face (Bush is a coke-fiend given to fits of psychosis and sadism, who lets Cheney actually run the government and set policy).
What stuns me are the number of college students who buy into this. I’ve heard LaRouche supporters described as a cult, and I can’t disagree too much- how does any modern college student, going to a modern liberal arts school, buy into this reactionary notion that America is deprived because it doesn’t have enough factory workers? I mean, hell, it’s not like these kids are going to college to become factory workers, but that seems to be what LaRouche wants them to do.

Didn’t LaRouche also spend some time in Jail?
When I was at college, there were several older LaRouchies handing out propaganda. They were persistent and cultish.

Very weird individuals.

I got into a conversation with them a few times and one time I asked them if they thought a convict would get elected (I can’t remember, can convicts even run for office?). The guy’s LAUNCHED into a diatribe about how LaRouche was unfairly convicted and all this other B.S…

Ah, my little Simpsons wannabe… Lyndon LaRouche was “right” about aliens, bio-duplication and nude conspiracies, not rat milk.

According to LaRouche, the parties to the conspriracy to convict him were Henry Kissinger, the court system, Wall Street Journal, NBC and the Anti-defamation League. Oh, and Readers Digest.

He also claimed that he had earlier uncovered a plot to have him eliminated. This time, it was the FBI going to the USA Communist Party, asking they hire a hitman.
In one of these tails or perhaps one of his others, he had included the Queen of England.

As a matter of fact, he won a high enough percentage of the vote in Arkansas to be eligible to receive delegates in 2000.

Being a convicted felon, he was ineligible to receive them.

Yeah, I read something about that. Something to do with Mail Fraud.

It’s not just in America. We have these nutjobs in Europe as well (at least in Sweden). I’m not going to go off searching for a site from work, but here in Sweden they present themselves as the European Worker’s Party.

They are quite often out campaigning on campus and outside parliament. There are some references to LaRouche in their material and his supposed plan for fixing the world.

I haven’t seen anyone stopping to listen to them however. Everyone seems to ignore them like the toal wackos they are.

Two points:
-Larouche was arrested years ago for credit card fraud. His followers would bug people for a $5.00 contribution, which they would charge to your card…only it was later altered to $500.00
-His wacky literature somehow talks about the mathematician Bernard Riemann as if he was an economist. Somehoew they think that Riemann is the solution for the world’s ills.
As others have noted, the guy attracts a huge follwing…I had no idea that educated people could be so stupid!

They hand out literature at the campus where I teach, but I haven’t yet heard them say anything. Maybe I should be glad.

I’ve tried to get into conversations with two of the LaRouchies who’ve accosted me on the streets (I also started a thread on him a few months back). The spout platitudes and respond to every contention with “They’re lying to you!”

My theme in these cases is that LaRouche has been around a long time; he’s left quite a paper trail. I’ve urged his followers just to look shit up and judge for themselves. All those documents are lies too, apparently.

Oh, and of course, being in jail is a point in his favor: he’s so dangerous that the government trumped up some charges to silence his truthtelling.

It’s easier to be wistful for the mines and factories if you won’t be toiling in them.