Sorry, chump, I’m not going to play this silly little word game with you.
I know. Because you’re a stupid yokel who is unable to learn things that contradict the nonsense Rush and Hannity spoon feed you.
I don’t blame you. You’re their victim.
Horseshit.
Where do you get that a bunch of atheists got together and said, "Hey, I know. We’ll invent Communism so we can kill people in the name of ‘radical secularism.’
Christianity was every bit a part of Naziism as secularism was a part of Communism. But apparently, you have a bit of a soft spot for old Adolph.
“You’re shallow! Defend yourself so we can not focus on how wrong I am!” 
Here’s the deal: nobody who commits murder gets a pass. In return, individuals who belong to the same group that murderers belong to don’t have to share the blame unless the stated agenda of that group is murder, which is not the case with either the major world religions or with Communism.
I do not believe that, and I certainly never said it.
By your logic, Scandinavians should be barred from much of the EU. People are not responsible for the actions of their ancestors.
Please read for comprehension. I didn’t say “North Americans,” I said “Americans.” That would include Europeans and their descendants in South America and the Caribbean, and accounts for a lot more than five percent of the slaves shipped from Africa. You’re right that there was also a slave trade with the Arab nations, and that the Arabs engaged in slave-trading too, but if you do know anything about history you’re aware of the differences in both scale and the treatment of the slaves. I’m not saying that Arab slavery was pleasant, just that there’s an order of magnitude of difference.
Actually, it shows a profoundly nuanced attitude, in that if you know anything about traditional slavery as practiced in most of Europe, Africa, and Asia, you know why the African / American situation is different from the rest.
White people, as a whole, aren’t being accused with or credited with anything. Whiteness in and of itself isn’t a problem, then or now. I’m white, and I don’t accept any personal responsibility for the racism of my ancestors. All I expect of contemporary whites, acting in a personal capacity, is not to perpetuate racism.
Exactly. Christians are not responsible for the Holocaust, though most of the actors responsible were Christians. The past has a bearing, certainly: it shapes the present, and many of the institutions that were around in the past are still with us. But you can’t logically argue that all members of X were responsible for the actions of a subset of X.
jews assisted in thr holocaust as well. in their case, they were forced to work the manual aspects of gassing, cremation and disposal on the threat of death. but as one genius here is saying, the former christian aspect of the nazis is also to blame for the deaths.
there was much to admire from adolf hitler (not the murderer part of him to be sure.) the good news is that some white people are now brave enough to talk about it.
What i think about this is that if all of the Difference between races are real what do we do with that knowledge? Will everyone try and help the races and groups that are not stable become stable? Or do what stormfronters want(i am STRONGLY against this). cus if races are real and people accept it what is the next conclusion?
No it does not. The word Americans specifically means people from the United States of America. Therefore there are fewer Americans than North Americans.
Using any other definition of the word without clarifying your intent is just being needlessly obtuse.
Oh, and a question to mac: Why the hell do you think it’s okay to go around and raise zombies of any thread with less than ten answers? Are you trying to be a troll?
Okay, he was a terrific dancer.
But could you share with us his other admirable qualities?
Well, he helped ensure the rarity of a fairly unattractive mustache style.
This is really remarkably stupid.
Not sure what you’re trying to say here… If the choice is “do this horrible thing, or I will kill you and offer the next guy the same deal”, then of course you do it; the end result is the same but you get to live.
Adolf Hitler was, historically, a moron with more luck than brains. For fuck’s sake, he got rejected from art school. TWICE. The only thing that I can point to which he did “right” was the stimulus package.
And sometimes ones misdeeds are so great as to negate anything else they may have done that can be called admirable.
The thing that revolts me about that paragraph is the spurious parallel. Europeans, have a long history of Anti-semitism, and you can argue about how much it is rooted in the Christian Church, and make fine distinctions with ‘cultural antisemitism’. To make a comparison to the Jews who were forced to participate in the horrors of the camps is loathsome.
And Jerry Sandusky’s victims assisted in their own rape and molestation too, by being forced to work the manual aspects of being raped and molested.
Brilliant stuff. You’ve created quite an identiy, mac- expat living in the PI (probably to sexually exploit the local people), admires certain aspects of Hitler, and is ‘concerned’ that the US and Europe is becoming an ‘Afro-Asian slum’. Real winning example of homo sapiens here.
Plus the name ‘Adolph’.
Wow, now this dude is trolling through ancient GD threads to purposely resurrect the oldest ones he can find. What a peach of a poster.
In general I agree with you, but in this particular case, I had clarified my intent by the context, the transatlantic slave trade before the US was formed, and by beginning with “European and American slave traders.” “America” is set up in parallel construction with the continent, Europe. I really don’t think I was obtuse, needfully or needlessly.
That might work except that “European” and “American” are very commonly used in parallel when “American” does mean only the United States.
If it wasn’t clear to multiple readers here, then it wasn’t clear. I assumed that since there was no USA for most of the history of the slave trade, and since most of the slaves from Africa went to the Caribbean and South America, that there would be no confusion. A hasty and incorrect assumption on my part, I guess: sorry.