Dio, you’re a dumbfuck. I find it sad that here I sit insulting you since I’ve found myself agreeing with most of what you’ve said around here ofr most of the last year. Athena’s boyfriend wasn’t a predator, you moron. Do you really think she’s still living in some world of denial all these many years later? If so, then you’re nuts.
THere are young girls who aren’t mature enough to think for themselves when it comes to sex. There are teenage boy who aren’t mature enough to think for themselves when it comes to sex. There are adult males who still aren’t fucking mature enough to use their dicks without parental supervision. THen there are adult women who the same applies to.
Using one standard(which, BTW, we have several across our 50 states), to judge all is inherently flawed. Just like to use one standard to judge anyone or anything in this world is inherently flawed. You, sir, are using inherently flawed and ignorant logic in this argument-not to mention brash, shrill, knee-jerkingly emotional thoughts instead of rational thought processes.
People seem to be forgetting Romeo and Juliet laws here, which are present in many states. Under them, statutory rape is not considered a crime if the age differential between the two parties involved is below a certain level, say 4 years. Hence a 25 year old sleeping with a 16 year old is rape, while a 20 year old doing the same is not. These laws tend to remove most of the ‘problem’ cases people have been discussing.
In states without theses laws, statutory rape law combined in particular with such things as state Meghan’s Laws can lead to situations that seem unjust - the 18 year old sleeping with his 17 year old girlfriend, and finding that he has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. Even with Romeo & Juliet laws, there will be outlier cases, but there always are any time a definitive age limit is set.
Yeah, I see now that you did appologize. I withdraw my comment.
For the record, I also don’t agree with saying statutory rape is moral equivalent of forced rape. I don’t approve of either, but I think it takes a whole different sort of person to hold someone down and force himself upon them while they’re begging him to stop than it does to just jump into bed with his willing girlfriend who happens to be a couple years younger. Really, it’s fine to say both are wrong (although obviously not everyone shares that opinion), but can you honestly say you’re equally horrified by both? Or maybe that’s not what you’re saying, and you’re just saying that since they’re both wrong it doesn’t matter how wrong? Personally, though, I don’t think a statutory rapist deserves the same label as a violent sexual predator.
I also think it’s a bit much for you to express sympathy for Athena where none was asked for and clearly none was desired. That was just condescending. But I guess if she has a problem with it, she’ll say so herself.
Well, I guess it’s pretty much unanimous. There’s nothing wrong with raping little girsl and anyone who thinks otherwise is an asshole. :rolleyes:
So does everyone think we should legalize the porking of teenagers? Should it be open season? What should the age be? Is Michael Jackson a victim of an intolerant society? Some of his victims were 13.
But we don’t know that, so why don’t you put away your Jump to Conclusions Mat[sup]TM[/sup] like a good hysterical lunatic?
Who the fuck cares what she said? I’ve met 12 year olds who’ve been more mature than some of the 70 year olds I know.
You know, maybe if you started to listen to people and not the labels you’ve attached to them, you might, just might, be able to learn something. Given the fact that I’ve met boys who were very mature for their age (and I’m a straight male, with no desire to “sample the other way of life” so there’s no way I could be allowing hormones to cloud my judgement), I’d say that the only one who was delusional here was you.
I don’t have any kids, but I’ve always thought the restrictions we place on women’s sexuality were totally bogus.
Oh yeah, you’ll love this DtC, about 10 years ago, I happened to run into a friend of mine’s daughter. She was 16 at the time, dressed in some skimpy summer clothes, and looked damned sexy. The next time I saw my friend, he asked me what I thought of his daughter. You know what I told him? I said, “If she wasn’t your daughter, I’d fuck the hell out of her.” He got the biggest shit eating grin on his face. Oh yeah, and if I had nailed her, I wouldn’t have made any claims about her “being mature for her age” (at least not mentally, physically, that’s another story). Quite simply, she was freakin’ hot, and if she’d been over the legal limit, (which would have made her 17) I’d have been more than happy to bang her, if that’s what she wanted.
No, I do not think that statutory rape is the same level of crime as a forcible rape (unless we’re talking about real pedophilia), but I still think it’s skeevy and shouldn’t be tolerated and I don’t feel sorry for any dude who gets busted for it?
I could also mean this girl was two weeks from being 16 and the guy one week into being 20. It could also mean this girl JUST turned 15 and the guy was one week away from being 30.
The fact is we don’t know any details which make it hard to accuse anyone of anything other then he got caught with his cock in someone. Even then we don’t know the details of their sexual activity together. Was it one time? Over the course of a few weeks? Months? Were the parents ok with it but someone else complained? Did the girl complain only after the guy tried to break it off? Did he even do it? Perhaps he made out with the chick and later found out she was 15 and stopped so she decided to teach him a lesson and call the cops. The fact remains, we don’t have a fucking clue.
Cursing people to hell like you’re the wrath of god is retared.
These laws already exist in many states, and they have, if I remember correcly, a cut off point where the age differential no longer applies.
As for the reasonableness of asking for ID, well, the law is a strict liability one. The onus is on you to make sure you are not having sex with someone under age. It doesn’t matter (according to the law) what they look like, or even what they say. Hell, they can show you an ID saying they are 19, and you are still liable (of course this is where the charging discretion of a DA comes in). But there is not a get out for reasonably believing someone was legal. You can argue there should be as much as you like, but when you are up in court you won’t be able to get it into evidence.
Older then that, and evidence that the child was emotionally or physically harmed must be presented at trial. I don’t imagine this would be particularly difficult in the clear-cut cases.
It would depend upon who the freshman was. A decent individual, with a good head on their shoulders who realized that my offspring was unusually bright, no problem. Someone just out trying “to get lucky” I wouldn’t be too fond of, but then again, I’ve always said that if I ever had a daughter I’d make sure she’d taken self-defense classes, auto mechanics, and could fire a gun, so I don’t think I’d have too many worries in that department.
As villa points out, the law pretty much don’t care, even if they hand you a fake ID, you’re still going down. There’s all kinds of absurdities when it comes to sex laws these days. I think one university has even published a list of 20 or so questions one is supposed to ask their partner before gettin’ their groove on. Romantic things like, “Is it okay if I touch your arm?” “Would it be permissible for me to manipulate your genitals with my hand?” Yeah, I’m sure there’s lots of drunken college kids at parties pulling that list out and looking at some hottie, and going, “May I begin asking a series of sexually related questions?” :rolleyes:
I’m okay with the idea of cut offs based on age differences, the one I quoted seems a bit too big though. There’s a lot of changes that go on between middle school and college. The gap seems large enough that it shouldn’t be crossed.
The ID thing wasn’t really literal, but thanks for the information it was interesting. I think that a lot of people are getting a raw deal though, and something should be done. Hopefully at some point people will realize that we can’t expect people to be psychic. It’s clearly not as black and white as some people would like to make it out to be.
And after preview, thanks for responding Tuckerfan.
I agree, once you took sides in this case, you lost your right to criticize others for taking a side.
Come on.
This, incidentially, marks the second time in my SDMB semi-lurking history that I’ve ever agreed with DtC. Five more times, and all the seals will be broken, and the world will end.
I didn’t say if strict liability was a good or bad thing. You think it is bad I assume, but don’t assume I am on the same side.
As for the ‘check list’, that’s Antioch College. Each year the policy requiring affirmative consent is put to the students for re-approval, and each year it has been resoundingly affirmed (according to the reports I have seen - I would obviously welcome any comments from an Antioch College student or alum if I am wrong on this, as I am relying on it quite heavily in some research work). The kids there like it - they suport it for many reasons. Asking someone if they want to have sex need not necessarily be unromantic. If you are too drunk or embarrassed to be asking whether the other party consents to what you are doing, then you should not be having sex in the first place. And the most important question, “Do you want to have sex?” can be asked in many ways, such as “Do I need to put on a condom?” which, if it is a one-night stand, is a question that you damn well should be asking anyway…
Communicative sex is better sex. And if you think she would not have sex with you sober, you probably should not be having sex with her drunk either.
Oh yeah, and if I had nailed her, I wouldn’t have made any claims about her “being mature for her age” (at least not mentally, physically, that’s another story). Quite simply, she was freakin’ hot, and if she’d been over the legal limit, (which would have made her 17) I’d have been more than happy to bang her, if that’s what she wanted.