Of course, only a very few people can really know. However, there are less humiliating ways to make a quick buck - she could have ‘confessed’ to something outrageous, but less, umm… permanently stigmatizing.
I understand that she’s going to not be held responsible by most people, but still, would you confess to having an incestuous relationship with your dad if you hadn’t? Wouldn’t you just confess to having had many lesbian relationships while strung out on cocaine?
I don’t think she going to get the “molested victim” pass she was expecting given her claimed participation in keeping it going, and her mom is being really adamant that her claims are BS and that this is an over the top play for money by a desperate drug addict. It seems odd that the Mom would need to be saying this since by the time they hooked up she was long divorced from him and out of the scene, and yet she’s still saying her daughter is a BS artist.
I might well believe that there was an incident of incest once when they were out of their minds on drugs, but if she and dad were doing as often as she claims it does seem strange that two out of their mind addicts could keep their sleeping together discreet.
Wait…is it Mackenzie’s mother who’s saying that John would never have done this, or is it Michelle? Because Michelle really doesn’t have much of a relationship with Mackenzie, to my knowledge, and she was divorced from John when this affair was supposed to be going on, anyway, so it’s not like she was THERE at the time.
But Gary Coleman, along with Johnny Carson literally saved NBC in the late 70s when NBC was in really bad shape. Johnny was producing 25% of the revenue for NBC while Gary Coleman’s “Diff’rent Strokes” was pulling in another 20%.
Considering how much he proped up NBC when it was down, it’s a damn shame he got treated so shabby. His show proped up everything from “Facts Of Life,” to “Gimme A Break” to “Silver Spoons,” and all those other minor hits NBC had till “Cosby” came along.
Phillips merely was a second or third place and sometimes fourth (behind Schneider) on a sitcom that only a broke the year end top 10 three times and two of those were year end number 10
In checking you are right, it’s her step-mother. I do wonder what Michelle has to gain in calling her BS artist, unless she feels that she’s (Mackenze) making some of it up.
Pass for what? What does she need a “pass” for?
Michelle Phillips is not her mom. Her sister Chynna is backing her up.
She probably doesn’t want to accept that she was married to and had children with a man who would do that.
Bravo! Or, jayjay, should I say “dynomite”!?
Not only is Chynna backing her up, but supposedly Denny Doherty knew about it all along, and so did his daughter.
And yes, if this did happen, it was long after Michelle was already out of the picture. Word is, she’s denying it in order to protect the Mamas and the Papas “brand.”
Bijou is now backing up Mackenzie too.
The parent/child sex talk must have been interesting at that house.
“When mommies and daddies love each other they make a mistress”.
snerk
I shouldn’t be laughing at that.
But I so am.
panache45 said:
That isn’t quite accurate. She came out of a blackout to find it happening and then went back under. Later when she confronted him over it, he described it as making love. If it was just a part of the drug experience, then the other person is not going to confirm it, are they? She said that after that she would awaken after drug-filled events with her pants off and her father next to her. Not necessarily consensual as much as not avoiding the situations to prevent it. The consensual nature seems to have developed over time.
Before, I think I was getting some of the players confused. It’s hard to keep straight which of John Phillips’ ex-wives is which when you don’t know them.
Okay, so this quote is interesting:
Waite is Bijou’s mother. She is simultaneously saying that she complained about Mackenzie being “overly familiar” with John and that she thinks John incapable of having sex with his own child even drugged out of his mind. That screams denial. Maybe the reason Mackenzie was so overly familiar was because they were doing it, ya know?
This situation is bizarre. It just isn’t something most people have experience with, and it is so extreme that it is mind-boggling. And in the world of music and entertainment where we have become accustomed to “shocking tell all” books, one could easily feel jaded about what the stars say. I mean, having done drugs and had wild sexual encounters with other famous people is so typical, if someone wanted to get that extra special shocking story, one would need something extreme. So it is easy to dismiss this as a conniving attempt at attention and money. But the thing is, these things do happen, and their situation was not normal by any stretch of the imagination. Add a healthy dose of drugs to everyone involved, and a man with boundary issues, and it is the perfect setting for it to occur.
And Denny Doherty is around to confirm this? It’s so easy making claims about the dead.
Sorry if I am blunt about this. However, I see obvious questions about the statements of a drug ridden wannabee in relation to a well established musician which smacks of money making. John Phillips certainly was not perfect- he was far from it. This may have happened. But I would need more convincing evidence than that from some bitch of a daughter who betrays her father 10 years after his death.
It is the easiest thing in the world to make an accusation.
Against someone you love? No.
She may be so drug-addled that she doesn’t grasp the consequences of talking about it in public, but I reject your assertion that making this kind of accusation is easy. One look at the range of reactions expressed in this thread and expressed by her family members should tell you why that is. Who the fuck alienates themselves for no good reason?
Out of all the girls in Wilson Phillips, who would have believed that Carnie and Wendy would have the more normal seeming father?
The main issue I’m having buying it that drug addicts in living circumstances where drugs are easily accessible are among the least discreet human beings imaginable, and if a lot of this incestuous coupling was drug fueled (as she described it to be). I’m thinking that more than one or two people would have to have been aware that they were sleeping together, especially her boyfriend or Phillips wife at the time, unless they both were making a very serious effort to be discreet.
Of all the players here I think the younger sister Bijou Phillips would be able to corroborate her story and yet her reaction is not all that supportive.
Who knows the truth at this point. I could believe a one off drug fueled “oops” but a sustained, totally secret relationship between two hard core drug addicts is a little more difficult to believe.
Looks like Bijou is corroborating her to me. She says Mackenzie told her about it when she (Bijou) was 13.
What Bijou is corroborating (and what Chynna corroborated) is that this story is not new, that Mackenzie has said it for some time. However, Bijou does not seem to believe it, because Mackenzie then denied it, and because of how she thinks of her father and what that would mean about him and the rest of her family and their leaving her in his care.
I still lean toward it happened. Mackenzie’s later denial is just the kind of thing one would expect. See, she was torn about it, and was trying to make sense of it for herself, and at one moment tries to tell someone - a family member. But it is so embarrassing and shameful that she changed her mind, “Why did I mention that?”, and tried to take it back by saying it didn’t happen. It speaks of someone unsure and embarrassed and generally troubled.
I found out while I was in college that my childhood best friend had been molested by an older boy that was a close family friend. This occurred over a period of years while he was young, and my friend moved away in jr high, so we sort of lost touch a bit. Then he contacted me while he was in town because he had finally come to terms with it and was pursuing legal matters.
Here is the important point - one time we were together and saw the boy, and he made some comment to me about not wanting to be around that guy. It gave me a really strange feeling - it was like he was trying to hint at what was going on without actually saying it. I was naive and young enough I couldn’t read between the lines, and he never told me anything directly, but even then I was trying to understand what he was meaning about the guy, and asked for clarification - was the guy bullying him or what? Didn’t get it then. I mean, I was picking up hints but not enough that I felt sure of anything. What makes the situation worse is that my friend’s mother actually caught it happening once, but the boy said it was just the one time and she apparently was naive enough to accept that.
Why did I bring this up? What does it have to do with Mackenzie Phillips? My point is that screwy ass shit happens and the people around can be oblivious, and even in active denial. People can be in pain, be troubled, and not be able to turn to anyone - even a best friend or parent - for help. They can try to reach out, and then change their mind out of embarrassment and shame, and so not get help. They cover up out of fear and shame when they should be crying out loud.
Yes, it would certainly be easier to believe if someone stepped forward and said “Yes, I knew it was happening, but hey, they were consenting adults, it wasn’t my place to say anything.” Without that, I’m sure a lot of people are going to withhold conclusion, or actively refuse to believe. But who is going to come forward? Who out there would have known and not said anything to them at the time? Who is going to come forward and admit they knew that was occurring and did nothing about it?