Yes, there is a big difference between a random vote and an OMGUS. A random vote is picking a player at random to vote for. A OMGUS is voting for the player voting for you. That’s kind of the opposite of picking a random player, since it’s voting for a very particular player. I’m not sure why anyone would think they’re similar.
Strange reaction. You voted for someone for stating an idea. That’s anti-Town. Why should you not collect votes for that?
I get that brevity is the soul of wit, but your pithy posts make me feel like I’m pulling teeth every time I ask you something. Here we go again. How did I twist your post to my means? You quoted the rules and the explanation for their change along with the comment, “I think this is important enough to stress again.” To me, your motivation was unclear. If you were trying to make some point about the rules, why didn’t you just come out and say it right then? So I asked you about it. Incidentally, if no one prompted you to clarify, would you have left things as is?
After you shared your thoughts, I expressed my dislike of posts that leave things to the readers’ imagination. Day 1 is crucial for establishing town norms. Do you disagree with me that your original post was cryptic? I wanted to discourage players from making potentially profound, but ultimately noncommittal posts. I can list the various reasons why it’s pro-town to be explicit, but I’m sure you know them as well as (if not better than) I do.
As a result, I’d like you to explicitly state what “people” are twisting your words. If you were only talking about me, why would you use the word “people” and why didn’t you confront me directly? If not, than who are the others? Did you, like me, erroneously think that UA mischaracterized your post? Again, why didn’t you just say so?
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How the hoo do you know the alignment of a non claimed?
I don’t know his alignment nor do I know the alignment of mental guy, I was demonstrating the possible scum motivation of he and **mental ****guy **snuggling.
That’s what snuggling tells me though, that one of them wants townie cred. I probably shouldn’t have said that one of them was Scum. I should have worded it more along the lines of, “it makes me suspicious that one of you might be trying to earn some Townie cred…”
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Ok boyz and girlzs. Here we have the textbook example of a smudge. That’s when someone posts something that seems reasnonable and then backhands what initially appears to be a throwaway comment. Very very very scummy.
So gettysburg wanna respond? “Coining terms”. Are you out of your rabbit as mind.
Crap, if this was your fist game it would necessistate a smack down, rightfully. But you have got to have played enough that no soul is going to put up with that bullshit.
Ok, rubber/glue, let’s see how this plays.
Did you and your scum buddies come up with that lame piece of shit, or did you do it on your own. Direct question requires a direct response. Unless you are scared about your answer.
In a game called Mafia where the baddies are scum, this might not be the most propitious way to refer to yourself.
Just saying.
ok11> Maybe this will help.
Post 221. I quote the rules.
Post 241. Next, ok11 comes along and wrongly assumes Adrian is using my post as justification.
Than asks me to state what I thnk the rules imply.
Post 249. I clearly state what I think the rule change could mean.
Than ok11proceeds to scold me and puts a little smudge on it. I quoted the rules because I felt they were relevant to the discussion. It wasn’t a sinister slippery and twisty post that left me all sorts of wiggle room. It was me quoting the rules. ok11 asked me what I thought, and I promptly told him.
I thought ok11 would perhaps realize he was doing some misreading and appreciate the irony. If not, no big deal.
Adrian did not mischaracterize my post. Again, that was ok11 misinterpreting.
Post 335. A light goes off. ok11 apologizes to Adrian. Unfortunately the dots aren’t connected yet.
Post 337. I try to connect them.
Post 342 and we are up to speed.
The feeling is mutual, bro.
Who knows? Maybe I quote rules in some Machiavellian plan to really confuse the shit out of everyone. Woah! That dude knows the rules! What do I do?
Yes, a million times yes. People were talking about the rules and I clearly laid out exactly what was being discussed. I think people were only reading the explanation of the change and not actually looking at the difference. It took me a few times of looking through both sets of rules to spot the difference. I figured it would be helpful.
Because it wasn’t a big deal. I didn’t want to waste half an hour of my time explaining how you were misreading and wildly attributing motives to the most benign posts. But here we are.
Were you following along?
I think you might need more tequila, peek.
**Straggler **had accused **paul **and I of being scum buddies because we both thought his idea was bad, and I responded to his response to paul
So I was taking it to an extreme and implying that everyone who thought straggler’s idea was bad must be my scum buddy as well.
You came late to the ‘bad idea, straggler’ party, so I made a joke that you must have been coining terms on the scum thread*
See, **straggler **had accused me of coining the term 'voting blind" on the scum thread…then **paul **used it in the main thread…and me, in my infinite confusion, responded to that as if it were my term on the main thread as well.
You were just a late addition to my response, as I’d already included Bill, and **almost **who too thought it was a bad idea.
in fact, this is the opposite of a smudge, except I did it with sarcasm. ;-D which makes it look like a smudge if you ain’t following along.
Hey, Punker, Essence of love and go back to sleep.
you left out this:
at least Rapier caught it…
psst, batman, **hoopy **ain’t playing, but look what **rapier **did. I think you should vote for him.
Another smudge. Sheesh. The sarcasm is duly noted.
Oh well, onward.
I have debated with myself whether to even try to argue my case anymore, but since I still have people voting against me for my supposed PIS, I thought I would review what happened.
sachertorte posted the rules. One of the rules read as follows:
Awhile later, sachertorte posted a revised set of rules. In this new set, the line above was changed to:
Based on this rule change ok11 posts speculation as to what changes might have been made. I do not disagree that they are all possibilities and if this was all that had been posted I believe they would have a case against me. However, in the revised rules sachertorte made the following statement as an addendum:
I took this to mean that scum talk was not restricted to Night only. I have sons in school. Each year we get a set of rules for the school. For example, one of the rules is that cell phones must be turned off at all times during the school day. If I got a notice saying that rule had been removed, I would assume that there were at least times during the day that cell phones could be turned on.
In the same post where she speculates on the rule changes, ok11 says:
Straggler then comes in to the picture with what is universally considered a bad idea. I am the first to state an objection to it. While I feel there is a lot wrong with his idea, the only real objection I give in my post is that I feel it would give wolves(yes, since straggler was saying wolves and I had the werewolf game on my mind I said wolves) too much power since they can talk during the Day. This was simply my assumption based on the remark sachertorte made at the end of the revised rules.
ok11, who is eager to spot PIS’s, claims this is one. Based on sachertorte’s comment at the end of the revised rules, I do not see how this could be an example of a PIS.
I believe my interpretation of what sachertorte said is reasonable and will play assuming the wolves can talk during the day.
Supposedly based on the above information, I get votes against me from ok11, pedescribe, and Almost Human.
Adrian, apparently interpreting sachertorte’s comment the same way I did, comes to my defense. He and I both think it looks like a pile-on starting and vote against Almost Human. I don’t want to speak for Adrian, but I believe we both realize our actions may make it look like we are working together. It is at this point that I make what I think is my first real mistake of the game. In the post where I vote against Almost Human I include the following sentence:
As I re-read the thread, I realized the above statement does seem to imply much more than I was intending. Based on Adrian’s defense of me, and the fact that that then led us to both vote against Almost Human, it was going to appear that we were working together. I did not really think there was much I could do to counteract that perception and between that and my somewhat frustrated mental state (from some people’s unwillingness to believe that the rules could legitimately be interpreted the way that I had done), I somewhat flippantly added the second half of the sentence(partially meant to imply that some on the bandwagon against me might be working together for the other side). I realize now that reading it from a dispassionate perspective, it looks as if I am saying that Adrian and I have some sort of formal arrangement. I really just meant that I felt Adrian was playing pro-town. I also stated in another post that I was more likely to trust Adrian than some of the others that seemed to try to be starting a bandwagon against me. I stick by that statement but do realize it only a matter of degree. If Adrian starts suggesting straggler’s plan is a good one or that we vote to lynch someone because they do not use proper punctuation, then I will definitely think something is up. I will say part of my trust is based on how I am assuming the rules in the game work. He has no apparent reason to defend me over anyone else and I don’t think anyone has been allowed to investigate anyone yet. If this happened on Day 2, I might have the suspicion that he was an investigator and defending me to try to steer the vote somewhere else , or was doing it simply because he had investigated me and knew I was town.
No smudge. I don’t think you’re particularly scummy for not following along.
I think you just lost track of the thread of that conversation. I admit, there were many other comments in between them…
You make a good defense. I tip my hat.
Unvote MentalGuy
Oops. I didn’t mean to quote Pleo there.
holy huge block of text, batman!
not you jenkems, the real batman
I was about to use this as my tipping point to vote for special ed, but he does clarify what he meant when he says “you’re hoping to come off as innocent and indignant when the other is lynched and proven Town”. He’s not claiming to know the alignment of a non-claimed, he’s claiming that one of the two guys in question has latched to the other, knowing they’re town. Could be either of them.
At the moment my vote sits between (in no particular order):
Sitnam is playing this game exactly the same way I would if I were scum. Every time I rub him with a cloth hoping to find some dirt, all I’m hearing are squeaky polishing noises. Not liking it.
Thank you. Unfortunately, that still leaves me with three votes and I am afraid some people may be afraid of giving a third vote to someone else and creating a tie.
While I am not as sure of this as the scum being allowed day talk, I think I know what sachertorte is going to do if there is a tie. He is going to randomly select a player from the pool of people that voted for the tied players and lynch them. Since several players still have yet to vote, this is hypothetical, but I could switch my vote to create a tie, thus giving myself some chance of survival. I must say I cannot see any reason for any player not to do this if they are in this situation near the deadline.
For this reason, I would strongly urge everyone to vote for who they honestly feel is scum to begin with. Then, if there are ties, for the players who gave single votes to switch their votes to create a situation where the vote leader cannot create a tie by switching their vote.
haha, my fault.
I didn’t realize non-players would be posting. In smash that never happened.
I am retarded
Vote Me
being retarded is a scum tell.