Interfuckingestering.
Don’t you see this is what I was talking bout early on. Teammates in one game and adversaries in another. How does it play out? And do we metagame to leverage.
There was and is no intent to cross pollinate. But shoot even with only females more dinosaurs emerge.
This is truly fascinating from a Sociological viewpoint.
Convince? Are you waiting on the most compelling argument from someone else before casting your vote?
The above was in response to Ed.
No, actually, right now, I’m compiling an analysis of mental guy’s posts, but I did want him to give support to his accusations. You see, if he has actual reasons, he should be able to support them. If he doesn’t…then we should all wonder why he gave reasons but cannot support them.
and, to be honest, if the support is logical and compelling, he should be able to convince us. And, if he’s Town and has genuine suspicions, he should be trying to convince us.
Fair enough. It felt odd to me since you have not cast a vote at all today.
[metagame]
For what it is worth, I felt a little bad playing you like I did last game. I think your style is unusual, but it adds another element (sometimes frustrating, sometimes humorous) and makes these mafia games more interesting. I sincerely mean it when I say I enjoy your presence here and look forward to playing more games with you in the future.
[/metagame]
With only a small amount of further ado, MentalGuy’s post and my comments. (Sarcastic, interesting, game-related and otherwise)
Here’s the ado: I’m skipping some posts that occurred before the role PMs were actually sent out. as well as his confirming role. (in total, that amounts to just 2 of his 26 posts.)
Post 134: States that he has no clue what roles might be in the game in response to kitten’s question.
Post 151: INforms us that this is his first game.
Post 196: Tells us again that this is his first game, and asks if we have masons. He follows that up with asking if it’s a good idea for the Masons to out themselves immediately to take them out of our hunt for Scum. Actually, he used the word “assassin” not Scum.
This occurs 30 minutes after the previous post. He said he realized the problems with the masons declaring, but doesn’t say what the realizations are. To me, at this point in my review, it looks suspiciously like he had gotten some advice to back off. He also uses the assassin term again.
Post 205: Asks what a WiFoM is, also says he’s asking question here bcause he assumes the moderator will be non-committal.
Post 212: tells straggler his idea is bad, uses the term “wolves” for the first time, not assassins like he did earlier. Says he’s holding off on voting straggler.
Post 225: Defends his use of the ‘wolves’ says he assumed the Scum were called assassins, though it hasn’t been specifically stated. Admits that he hasn’t read other games. Why is he assuming assassins when he hasn’t read other games including simpletown? Also **mentalguy **states that he assumed Scum Day-talk, though now he sees it wasn’t explicitly stated.
Post 255: Defends his assumption of Scum Day Talk, votes for **Almost Human **, and says:
Post 280: Defends what has been called his ‘snuggle’ with Adrian, says he trusts **Adrian **more than others because he stood up against the bad idea brought against mentalguy
Post 281: Points out that **Adrian **has made the same argument that he has.
Post 285: More on the Adrian stuff. States that he’s more likely to work with Adrian than the people who are trying to bandwagon him.
Post 288: Expresses gratitude to **peeker **for unvoting. Asks **peeker **to explain a mostly out of game peekerism
Post 353: A long post summarizig and defending: 1) the wolves comment 2) The Scum Day Talk comments, and 3) the working with **Adrian **comments
Post 359: Expresses gratitude to pedescribe for the unvote. Notes that he still has 3 votes and others miht be afraid to cause a tie. Encourages everyone to vote for whomever they find scummiest.
I assume this vote is for the “trying to avoid confromntation” but he does admit there isn’t much commitment behind it
Post 457: replies to straggler’s comment that any votes on a “town-aligned kitten” would earn straggler’s wrath to all who ‘piled-on’ her. In the end, both straggler and kitten were scum and were on the same faction. To me, it sounds like straggler trying to intimidate. Her is mental guy’s response:
He changes his stance on pile-ons, (I keep wanting to say pylons), but this is to be expected a bit, since this one isn’t on him
Post 546: pondering on what a cabalist is. More ponderings on how a werewolf ended up killed. “With a werewolf being NK’ed, can we assume something went wrong for the scum? Might they have tried to night-kill a player with a special power that backfired on them?”
Post 608: Agrees with **Sitnam **that straggler’s failure to claim indicates that the cabalists are anti-town. Proposes and idea that can be loosely trasnlated as ‘perhaps the werewolves are a mad-bomber type role’ Votes for **kitten **stating, “All that being said, I still do not have a lot to go on. I will keep my vote as it was before.”
Post 681 announces his return from his unannounced absence. Mentions what has already been stated about remaining masons claiming. Votes **Almost Human ** in part for all the stuff with him on Day 1, as well as reasoning that a cabalist would not want to bus 2 teammates, and **AH **voted for Sitnam both days, as well as a mild defense of kitten in post 197
If you go back and look at 681, I think Almost summarized the reasons mental guy gave for his vote. This time mental guy gave slightly different reasons, or at least a slightly different way of arriving at those reasons, it seems. He also puts suspicion on **Natlaw **and ok11, without giving any reasons.
Post 738: I’ll admit, this pinged me big time. He basically states that he wants people to vote in case he needs to change his vote. Why would he need to change his vote? To save a fellow Scum? Maybe he innocently meant to avoid a tie, but this looks creepy to me. Town shouldn’t need to change their votes based on who is leading or not. Scum might.
Post 740: after an hour and 20 minutesHe cleans up his request a bit
Post 754:
This pings me too. I don’t see much reasoning here. I’ve asked him to clarify his thinking, and maybe he will.
@Natlaw I’m finding mental guy suspicious for a lack of support for his reasons for voting, as well as knowing about assassins early and then seeming to forget. Also, twice he cleaned up ideas he threw out without stating why he was cleaning them up. To me, it just pings a little bit of getting advice in another thread to change his tune.
I’m going to look at a couple of other things, but if nothing sticks out at me, I think this is where my vote will fall.
Actually I’ve got my vote on you. Skim much?
Oopsie Doopsie.
Now it stands.
Otie dotie. Hero is either a liar or full of shit.
I already voted him.
C’mon in hero’s universe skimming = scum. Right? Obviously he he/she ist to keeping up.
Care to make a counter case. Oh, someone else posts and is it incongruent. Crucify, but for me, [hero], ahhhh that would be bad. Kind of funky how you change the rules.
You are so full of shit. If you really think that the word “vote” is the determination then we can not connect.
Otie dotie.
Mother of OG, where be Santo. I sure as hell you are T.O. Inclined 'cause I much more of a Romo. Marge looks fucking hot. Seriously, kudos who can figure that fucker out. But you know what, it is there.
Peekslanation on the wire.
I got nothing to say to all that.
This is an interesting, well thought out case. If I may add a few things?
-The opening color mentions assassains. However, it does not mention wolves. This makes the assumption about assassains understandable, but the switch to wolves doubly weird.
-Why did he shift to wolves as the default to wolves as a mad-bomber type? It’s a highly unusual shift.
-He is implicitly defending Sitnam in his case on AH.
I’m convinced.
Vote MentalGuy
And sorry about the low participation, I’ve had a lot of RL stuff on my plate.
Your quote of my quote left out my quotes within the quotes.
I just want to be sure that people read my original post for continuity sake. Many of my comments don’t make sense when the quote I was commenting on is missing.
What makes you think there aren’t? It’s highly unlikely (I believe), as that would make the game extra-complicated, but I hate to discount any possibility.
I felt like admitting I was mistaken wasn’t going to help matters. Yes, my interpretation left something to be desired. But at the very least, I figured I’d be called out for being “anti-town”, or else you’d say, “That’s just what scum would do, retract when the heat is on”, so lose-lose, ya know.
“I like string cheese” really doesn’t require the same level of analysis as a mafia thread, no? I can skim other threads and make a 30 second post in those topics. But if I miss one word here:
Okay, so I should have said “not as suspicious of Sitnam”. In my correction. Where I missed a whole predicate. The slightest semantic mistake, and people are all over that, so I’d rather save meaningful posts for when I’m not multi-tasking.
I know I’ve been lurkerific, and that’s more a function of getting a case of Archive Panic when I look at all the posts I have to catch up on. There’s a reason I didn’t vote for you ToDay.
No, I hadn’t heard of bussing. I chose bus stop because I was trying to think of something that people lean on and I lean on signs/buildings/ shelters at the bus stop. Jiminy H. Cricket, even my awful jokes (puns? gags?) are scummy.
Lean on me
when you’re not strong
and I’ll be your friend
I’ll help you carry on
For it won’t be long
Til I’m gunna need
Somebody to lean on
oh, and
vote mental guy
for various and sundry reasons
Gaah! Warn us before you link to TVTropes! That website got me killed in the other game!
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Ichini, I’ve never said that I’m no longer suspicious of Sitnam, or that voting twice for Cabalists somehow exempts him from being scum. Please reread posts 624 and 638, where I said it’s possible that Sitnam is a werewolf, or a Cabalist who bussed his team member. You also didn’t answer my question from post 638.
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Yeah, I saw the post counts, but I wasn’t really relying on them. I worked out from pedescribe’s post. Yeah, I did some skimming. Bad idea jeans.
I don’t think Sitnam bussed him teammates on both days. Remember - 2 anti-town (probably) factions. Sitnam probably isn’t a bus-happy cabalist, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a wolf.
Santo was even more random than I. Just kind of x rated.
T.O. Is terrel and romo be romo. Romo is honking on J. Simpson. Marge is a simpson married to homer. See the connection.
That is how my brain works.