Tell the surgeons we’ll lynch them if they don’t do their best!
(Kidding. Best wishes for a speedy recovery!)
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Are you sure that’s what I said? Let’s take a look:
I think you’ve misrepresented my words severely here. I clearly indicate that I do not prefer a random vote, but rather an actual choice based on scumminess. And now I’ve found one: you. I was really hoping to find something scummy, so that I could take my random vote off of you, but instead you completely misrepresented my words to cast me in a negative light. I’m gonna go ahead and consider that some highly possible scumtell action. Now I actually feel pretty satisfied with my vote for you.
Good luck, peekercpakid!
Yeah, I understand it’s just general strategy chatter (not much else to discuss day 1), but I still don’t like this:
I’m going to assume it is the case because that is what we were told by sachertorte. I’ve seen nothing to give any indication this is a bastard mod game, so I guess we’ll just disagree on this point.
Anyway, I’ll leave my vote on you, for now, menocchio, weak-ass reasoning as it may be because this just maybe kinda looks to me like a way to set scum up to role-claim something out of the ordinary, when I’m assuming this is a rather ordinary game.
Also, I’ll reiterate that barring something extraordinarly suspicious on day 1, which I have yet to see, I won’t be voting for a new player (no real reason to vote for anyone, so I might as well ruin an experienced player’s day and let the newbs make it to day 2), so I’m limiting myself on today’s vote. And because I have yet to determine a workable day 1 strategy, I’ll admit this makes things easier for me.
I’m not advocating this admittedly silly restriction for anyone else, just that as someone who’s been voted off day 1 a couple times, I’m just trying to be nice 
Except to Menocchio I guess. I’ll be guns-blazing tomorrow, though.
OMGUS!!
Early lurking: I’ve always been kinda streaky in my posts… I get busy at work and have other shit going on. I may lurk for a couple days at a time in the future. Nothing to see here.
Vote switching: Votes are cheap. I’ve been one of the loudest advocates about putting yourself on record with votes, and changing them as circumstances warrent. Non-voting is the awful, scummy thing to look out for. Being cautious with votes is one of the biggest scum tells I’ve seen game after game. I basically randomly voted for shadowfacts, as one of the experienced players.
Then I saw something by koldenar I did not like, and voted for him, then asked him to clarify a statement he made. He clarified it, and I moved my vote to menocchio I’ve explained each of my votes and I don’t see anything wrong with voting and unvoting based on changing circumstances. Certainly on day 1.
3rd vote: Come on, madtheswine. Are you trying to confuse people here? You and I both know that the third vote thing only works if one is not familiar with the third vote thing. That’s what got menocchio in trouble the first game… he wasn’t familiar with it. Once you know about it, it is all WIFOM. You know I know about the third vote thing.
Oh for god’s sake, madtheswine. Do you really think you’ve caught two scum on day 1? This is another in the long list of nonsensical thing you’ve done in these games (and I can appreciate this, I’ve done my share of nonsensical things).
For the sake of argument, assume I am scum. Do you really think shadow would defend me against your tortured logic if she were scum as well?
For me, I know I’m town, so it’s possible to me that shadow may be scum trying to ingratiate herself with me…
I’ve played with you before, mts, and you do employ weird strategies which seem scummy (remember m5?), so, at least for now, I’ll stick with my menocchio vote, because his behavior has disturbed me much more than any other experienced player at this point.
Complete and total fluffpost:
“Simpletown” now has this song running through my head every time I’m in this thread:
Can I be the mayor of Simpletown? I have the cd somewhere…
Everything went fine. I certainly won’t go into details and pollute this thread any more than I already have. I’ll probably start a MPSIMS thread when things calm down.
What little I was able to re-read before my Blackberry ran out of juice leads me back to my first choice.
In trying to look at the whole motivation thing Queen of Town’s “snuggle” did sure read like trying to build some cred if I get lynch and when I turn up town.
I want to at least make sure I have a vote on record so therefore,
Vote Queen of Town
I’ll have limited access the rest of the day doing the discharge thing and getting the kid home and comfortable.
Unnoffical vote count:
4 - Menocchio (fluiddruid, bufftabby, zuma, ShadowFacts)
2 - WF Tomba (Ice Cream Man, pedescribe)
2 - peekercpa (Koldanar, Mind Wanderer)
2 - Sitnam (Blaster Master, Nanook of the North Shore)
2 - bufftabby (wf tomba, menocchio)
1 - MadTheSwine (Sitnam)
1 - ShadowFacts (MadTheSwine)
1 - fluiddruid (Queen of Town)
1 - Queenoftown (peekercpa)
Day One will end on Thursday, 3 April 2008 at 4:00PM (East Coast Bias) 5 hours from now
six hours from now, actually.
Hey! I made the end of Day 4PM EDT so that the West Coast people would have the morning and lunch hour to check in. Ending at noon (lunchtime) would have been much more convenient for me.
Oh how generous of you 
Just FTR, I am considering changing my vote to MadTheSwine, but I am waiting to hear back on the questions I asked him before I decide. I’d also like to hear from Mennochio, given that he is the current vote leader.
(And zuma, I’m a guy).
To be fair, most of the discussion about motivation in the previous game was while I was still town, as I wasn’t recruited until the third Night.
As for motivation, the important thing about it is that it’s what helps us combine and analyze behaviors. For instance, any particular behavior could have a pro-town or anti-town result, but this fails as a way to analyze behavior because townies want to help the town, and scum want to look like they’re helping the town, thus, most anti-town actions are the result of bad strategy or miscalculation for either side and does little to differentiate whether the actor is townie or scum.
Motivation is always present. A particular behavior may have motivation that favors one side or the other, but when enough actions are analyzed, one will see a pattern that ultimately favors one side or the other. This is because, regardless of how skilled or intelligent you are, your motivation is always present.
The way you divine the motivation is by looking at an action, and try to determine what your motivation might be for it if you were town, and what it might be if you were scum. This part is usually pretty simple. For instance, X voted for Y who was a townie. X, as a townie, could have been convinced he was scum or X, as scum, could have wanted a townie dead. The hard part is trying to figure out how likely it is you would have done that. In the same example, how convincing were the arguments, did X seem convinced, what would the scum have to gain by killing him, etc. Then all you do is compare those and you have a general motivation behind the behavior.
You are right about null tell, though. I use it to describe an action that I perceive as having very close to the same level of motivation for either townie or scum. As you correctly point out, eagerness is enjoying playing the game, both a townie or scum could just as easily be eager to play. Hence, it makes no sense to use it to support a case on it’s own. However, over-eagerness could still potentially be used if combination with other contradictory behaviors, but that’ll just confuse the issue, so…
I intially read that as “I’m gay”
I’ve got nothing else, I’m afraid. My last post is pretty much my best guess at scum right now. I still think that bufftabby’s distancing herself from a random vote and then using one anyway is rather inconsistent, and convenient.
Now that of I’ve accused her, of course, she can easily claim innocent confirmation bias and townie defensiveness once I turn up town. But I think she’s been low-content enough Today to arouse anyone’s suspicions.
First of all, I’m reasonably convinced from my discussions with Sitnam that our disagreements are strategic and not necessarily because of motivation, so…
Unvote Sitnam
I just remembered, this gave me a 
moment. This sounds like you’re trying to imply you have some sort of power role without actually stating it. This is just silly if you actually are, so I see a lot of scum motivation behind this statement. I would like an explanation from you on this.
You’ve also seemed to be engaging in trying to generate a lot of paranoia. You’ve done a lot of discussion about possibilities of exotic roles, two doctors and such, and none of it has really resulted in productive discussion.
I have one other person I would consider voting for , but absent of a good explanation for the quoted statement, I just don’t see it.
Vote Menocchio
Well, I didn’t distance myself. I said it wasn’t my preferred method. Are you saying that you would prefer a random vote to one based on actual suspicion?
I find this all especially funny, since I’ve been searching for scummitude all over the place so that I could find a legitimate vote to replace my random vote on you.
And I’m not sure what you mean by saying I can “claim innocent confirmation bias and townie defensiveness”. I’ve already laid out my reasons for keeping my vote on you. I don’t think I need to “claim” anything.
And one last bit, on the low-content claim: what content is it, precisely, that you would like for me to generate? Only scum just makes up reasons to vote for people. I didn’t have any suspicions, so I didn’t present any. Makes sense to me. Since this is only my second game, I must confess that I don’t have a lot of general strategy chatter available. I also like to see how things develop, as I’ve already stated. Strategizing about power role claims, when we have no power role claims, is fine for those who want to do it, but seems pointless for me to engage in. I’m a case-by-case kinda girl.
Well, looks like I’m boned.
I’m going out now, and I don’t know if I’ll be back before 4 (going to see a movie, possibly There Will Be Blood, which is appropriate). In any event, it seems like that I’m just digging myself deeper.
I will not role-claim, except to plead that I’m pro-town, for what little that’s worth.
fluiddruid, I think you’re town, but you’ve shown a remarkable amount of confirmation bias Today. That may be just because it’s Day 1 and all we have is cheap gut feelings, random votes and confirmation bias. But if it isn’t, watch it. Better targets than me will present themselves in the future. You’ve got a good killer instinct and I’d hate to see you pass them up because you’ve got you jaws too firmly in someone else’s flesh.
Blaster Master, all I meant was that I can hardly be as bloodthirsty Today as I got last game, when there’s so little evidence at the moment. I voted no-lynch on Day 1 there, you’ll recall.
I will not here reiterate my case against bufftabby, but I still stand by it.
Ah well, I guess someone has to get ganked first. At least this time I’m not head scum. That was embarrassing as hell.
Criticism noted. I’m not saying I’m in any way absolutely sure you’re scum - I just simply have no other real option at this point since I don’t have much of a read on anyone else. This will of course be unfair because there are a lot of players here I don’t have experience with, but them’s the breaks.
FWIW, the only other person I’m tempted to vote for is MadTheSwine because of lurkerdom, but my impression is that this is pretty par for the course for Mad, so we’ll see. I’d still like to encourage lurkers to speak the heck up. I know we don’t have much to go on at this point, but if people sit on their hands because of that, then we won’t have much to go on in the future either.