I’m not trying to make myself look good; I’m trying to help the town avoid a loss. What am I supposed to say? “Lynch a townie and everyone will pat your back and buy you drinks?” Someone who works very hard to lynch a townie is going to get some harsh scrutiny. I fully expected to come under the same scrutiny if I had been wrong about fluiddruid. I have already stated I don’t want Idle Thoughts lynched if he is town - but also that I have no way of knowing if he is town or not. I just find it interesting that two of the lowest-posting players decide to follow his lead.
I’m not following his lead necessarily, I’ve been suspicious of you on my own for a while. I think I’ve made it clear that I’m not trust-oriented toward him at this time.
Also, there seems to be a lot more antagonism toward “lurkers” today, kind of like there was during the first couple of days. What’s up with that? That kind of talk always feels to me like a scapegoat for the Mafia. The only one I think we should really be concerned about is zuma, since we’ve heard nothing yet (and since Omi was so shady anyway).
“Are you there zuma? It’s me, Millit.”
(Assuming you’re referring to me as one of those two players) How can I be said to be following his lead? Yes, he voted first and I voted second, but I made it pretty clear that it was the my analysis of Lemur’s post history (Post #1805) that sealed the deal for me. The only question I had at that point was whether I was going to be voting for you or nesta.
(As for the low posting today, yeah, I know…sorry. Half my work group decided to make it a four-day weekend, so I’m stuck picking up the slack. That, and that damn Haggle game)
As for lurkers, I don’t think that lurking alone is necessarily a scum tell. I want to prod the low posters, not because I’m reading scum, but because I want input from them. If they’re pro-town, they’re not being very helpful, and if they’re scum, not posting is more or less avoiding suspicion by not playing, rather than through good play. I don’t want everyone with 150-160 posts like the post leaders, but when a few people are lagging way behind the rest of the group, where the average post count seems to be around 80-90, then when people have around 50-60, I’m gonna wonder.
Oh, and “trust-oriented”, that’s a new one for me. 
I agree completely; my suspicion of zuma is mostly based on Omi no Kami’s play. Not participating doesn’t give me anything to go on - and right now I am looking for anything I can find. With fewer and fewer players we need participation from everyone, not just votes. I understand people have real lives and not everyone can spend as much time on the computer as I do, so please don’t think I am trying to be a bitch. I just need information!
[off-game]So… you’re getting married? I can’t believe I missed that. Congrats! And… that’s dedication to the game…[/off-game]
I’ve got to make two comments to this observation:
- Strong scum is unlikely to start the movement to lynch a townie. Look at Lemur866’s and fluiddruid’s examples: Both exhibited what I call “perfect knowledge” syndrom. (I can’t believe I’m saying this. I won’t be able to use it on strong scum anymore) At some time during a lynch where they were largely uninvolved they said things like “This bandwagon seems wrong to me” (about Lightnin’) or “This fight seems to be taken place between two townies” (dnooman versus Projammer) and even hang their reputation on it. What better way than hanging back and voting with the movement that has the most townies in it?
- Because of the “perfect knowledge” syndrom, they tend to be “me too” voters. After all, that precludes any attacks on them by their townie co-voters.
Well, I’m willing to take that chance. Mostly because I feel you’re mafia.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume there were four members originally, not counting the recruit. I’ve seen many in this topic make the same assumptions/conclusions.
You’re finding things like "haha"s suspicious? You’re really reaching now. And why couldn’t be just be that my personality is lighter and keeping it fun, especially in a game where emotions can run high and people can get angry.
Why are you thinking Lemur would be completely honest about everything?
I’m trusted? News to me. The only people I see saying that they trusted me are those I think are scum themselves.
Yeah, this was a slip. But not because I’m scum. I only got caught up in talking about the Doctor and, seeing that word, referred to it as a him there.
But really, it doesn’t matter anyway. No matter what I say you’ll probably be against me because I think you’re mafia too and that would be your goal.
Snipped.
I already explained this in a post to Blaster Master.
Because that’s not the case. I am town. And it doesn’t matter if YOU are really town and don’t know it or if all the other “for real” pro-towners know it. What matters is, the mafia knows who is who and what I am. So when you realize that and then think of it with me being town and her being scum, it makes sense.
Snipped.
It was a mistake by my own fault. Since I know, for sure, I’m town, the only ones I thought to mention were town/town or town/scum since those are the only cases I know it can BE. Does that actual slip up not show anything to you?
So putting a scum/scum case in there totally slipped my mind.
However, if you look at a few of my posts to SCL you DO see me saying something along the lines of "Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if, if you’re found to be scum, that they all think I am too, doing the same thing you were doing with Lemur and fluiddruid.
What was I doing with Lemur866 and fluiddruid, other than voting against them? I did the same thing to fluiddruid you are doing to me - except for the fact that she was scum and I am not. I have voted for scum much more than you have by a factor of 2; as a matter of fact, you’ve never had a vote on scum when they were lynched. You had voted for fluiddruid on Day 4 but unvoted to vote for CaerieD. When Lemur was lynched you were busy voting for me.
You don’t have to worry anymore about my trusting you. I honestly (my fault) had been paying more attention to what you said rather than how you voted.
Funny. I was looking through yesterday’s posts and found this doozy and really, truly don’t know what to make of it.
I get the theory that fluiddruid voted for SnakesCatLady to get the heat away from her. That didn’t work out very well, though and at the start of yesterday people like BlasterMaster were saying the probable lynch candidates would be her or CaerieD.
And then, when Lemur866 was about to bite the dust, he implicates her very strongly as well. So… the scum used a failed strategy twice?? And against this stubborn lot, who have just once lynched someone who wasn’t suspected (Lemur866)?
(to those who are watching: don’t do this at home. I really truly don’t know whether SnakesCatLady is scum or not. As a townie you should NEVER fully trust ANYONE but yourself. I’m doing this on what is a potentially disastrous whim for myself)
Let me clarify my last post: I meant to say that Lemur866 hadn’t been strongly suspected on days prior to his demise. (unlike every other lynchee)
That’s why I didn’t include that post in my breakdown of Lemur’s posts, DC – who the hell knows what he was pulling there?
He knew very well that he was going to swing, so that could easily been a double-triple-quaudruple sorta fakeout attempt. Or maybe it was completely honest. Beats me.
… and just to confirm another angle on the story…
fluiddruid named 3 people as her suspects, voting for **SnakesCatLady **and FOS-ing Omi no Kami (now zuma) and Lemur866.
She “trusted”
If I had written that post I would have named at most 1 scum in each of the posts. Why? Well, look at the reaction of most after we had lynched her. Immediately someone (I don’t remember who but I’ll look into it) said we **SnakesCatLady ** was of course a suspect because of this.
I think what fluiddruid expected was for us to look into both lists and lynch at least one of the people. By hiding one scum in a pile of 3 or one scum in a pile of 4 or (at most) 2 scum in a pile of 7, chances are one townie will get lynched first. And provide cover for everyone else in that pile, even the scum among them.
What’s worst is: We found one scum in the pile fluiddruid carefully constructed. Do you really believe she’d put two scum among her “most suspected”?
Since there is still time for me to change my vote:
vote zuma
I don’t know. I’m not going to be around much today or tomorrow so I won’t be posting. I can see the case against several posters.
SnakesCatLady - with Lemur866’s last vote it could be a method to try and get suspicion away from her, or a double bluff- an attempt to get her off the hook. However since Idle Thoughts was already going for her on the grounds of her role against fluiddruid, it could be an attempt to give him more ammo to lynch her.
Idle Thoughts - tempers got heated repeatedly earlier before the last no-kill night, and you weren’t posted laughs/taunts. Sorry, that doesn’t fly. If SCL is town, then yes I will think you are scum. You switched away from fluiddruid on Day 4, in a manner that I did worry would cause her to get off as she did in Day 3.
Blastermaster - your vote got Projammer lynched instead of fluiddruid.
Omi no Kami/zuma - few final votes, little contribution, and zuma isn’t exactly posting much either since the sub. Named by fluiddruid twice.
Rachm Qoch - “me too” posts with CaerieD could be hiding a scum vote behind a townie. Low post count (but recent posts have has more analysis)
Diggit Camara - if SCL is scum then Diggit who tend to support her comes under suspicion.
I could go through the whole list of players like this, but there’s no point.
I’m not happy enough with the case against SCL to vote a lynch unless more information comes up - I’m pretty much tied between her and Idle Thoughts.
Ok, I’m outta here. Heading out for the weekend, back late Monday. I’ll be on a bit later on today (when things are slow at the in-laws), so if anything critical pops up I’ll probably be able to add my $0.02.
Enjoy the weekend, everyone!
Tirial, the fact that DiggitCamera is defending me makes me think he is not scum. If he were, he could take the much safer way out by just not saying anything at all to defend me.
And I agree with you about Idle Thoughts; he wasn’t joking around when Omi no Kami was cussing me out; it started in the last day or so. I know there has been talk about how it is best for the Mafia to save their recruitment for later in the game, but there is nothing to stop them from using it early - and I think they may have. Also, both of the days we managed to get scum his vote was elsewhere, but he did help lynch dnooman.
If she suspected that we’d get one of them and then figure that we’d found “the one,” then maybe. It would be kind of brilliant to put 3/3 scum on your “most suspected” list and then assume that the first one hit would protect the other two. Especially if two were uncovered…it would be like pulling teeth trying to get the last one lynched, because the entire town would be saying, “but there’s no WAY that list was all scum!” That’s about the best cover you could give. Would fluid do that? Or is this nothing but an insane extrapolation of the “honest scum” theory?
Also, who do you think is scum among the most “trusted?” I’m not sure whether you were saying that one of them should theoretically be scum, or whether she would have filled that list with townies she wanted to incriminate. They were:
Diggit
nesta
tirial
Blaster
Except that isn’t the way it works. As time passes, things happen in this thread and townies* forget what happened on previous days. So, more likely than not by the time **SnakesCatLady ** gets lynched (and let’s suppose for an instant she’s a townie), everyone will even have forgotten why she got lynched in the first place. And let me say this again: the main suspicion against her is a “final defense” post of a known scum who knew she was going to get lynched.
*btw: I’m generalizing. I’m not saying “you townies”.
And of course, scum being scum, what I posit fluiddruid were hoping would happen is this:
- Townies would get bogged down discussing SnakesCatLady culpability
- We would lynch her
- When (and if) **Lemur866 ** got under suspicion he could point to fluiddruid’s post and point out that we already went down that road before and only got a townie for our trouble
Do you really think it’s realistic fluiddruid doesn’t know about reverse psychology? Don’t you think she knows the first thought anyone would have when she voted against a townie and said “She’s certainly scum” everyone would think it was a double blind?
And if you’re right and SnakesCatLady is scum then I vote we go for the perfect trifecta and vote immediately for zuma on the next day.
Again: there are less scum than townies even now. To them a gamble of 2-1 might make sense. A gamble of 0-3 would be dense.
I put him on my list yesterday. And, if I recall correctly, you voiced some suspicion against him as well: BlasterMaster
Of course, your idea that there is one scum in her trusted and one in her un-trusted might be completely wrong. In fact, if I were to write a list like that, more likely than not, I’d either hide one or none. That way the odds, once townies start analyzing the list, are decidedly in favor of scum.
And I’ll repeat again: fluiddruid’s farewell post WAS NOT WRITTEN TO HELP US IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. IT WAS WRITTEN TO FAVOR SCUM. AND SHE PUT HER CONSIDERABLE INTELLIGENCE INTO SHAPING IT IN A WAY THAT IT WOULD DO NOTHING BUT CONFUSE TOWN.