True, but we’re not looking for people who make mistakes, we’re looking for scum. Something that more players need to keep in mind.
I did not look at it like a mistake but rather as a deliberate omission until MB replied. A deliberate omission would be scummy.
EBWOP: That MB is supposed to refer to BlasterMaster. I’m not dyslexic (not that there’s anything wrong with that) I just always trip to MadMax: Beyond the Thunderdome when I see his name. :smack:
Even a deliberate omission is not scummy, unless there’s a reason why a Scum is more likely to make the omission than a Townie. My point is that you jumped on Blaster for his omission without explaining why it was scummy.
You said it was suspicious without explaining why. My first instinct at the omission after you pointed it was that it’s a Townie slip (because lack of knowledge of Scum roles is reasonable for Townies). You may have good reason to think its scummy, but you need to let the rest of know the details. Just trying to improve the our collective game.
(I must be dyslexic, because I didn’t notice the reversal until you pointed it out.)
I know it’s Friday night, but I think I hear crickets in here. No one’s got anything to say?
All right, that’s it.
You’ve consistantly stayed on this almost from the beginning. Sure the pronoun thing was odd, but you really seem to be gung-ho in getting Pleonast killed off. You don’t want to lynch a claimed power role? Yet you’d be fine with them being killed off? You keep pressing the Vig to kill him off, saying you think it’s for the best and think it’s a good idea, yet you put it subtly “Well, it’s [their] decision, not mine”. You’ve even gone so far to say, even in this post that a power role would be “an alternative to lynching you” but how is anyone supposed to know that? For all Town knows, YOU could be the Boss or a recruit by now. All of those things really get to me and they rub me the wrong way.
Regarding the math thing, which we also got hung up on in M7: Firefly: My father used to have a saying I thought was wise. “Everything in life is 50/50. Either it happened or it didn’t.” Obviously there’s no way to tell or know right now so why can’t people just wait on it?
VOTE MENOCCHIO
Arrggh. That’s what I get for posting too early in the morning.
Fluiddruid, could you maybe fix my tags in the above post that looks like someone took an ax to it?
So I’m one of the folks who understand your math, Blam, but I can see how you’re going overboard here with some of this stuff. Plus, the above equation is wrong: it would count a Bishop as one of the unrecruitables even after he’s dead. We don’t even need a variable for the doc, vig or bishop: none of them are dead, and we know there’s 1 of each from the game start.
It’s (2+P+.5M+p©B)/n-s
I think Pleonast is lying. Coming out that early with that narrow a lead in the vote was a foolish move for town. Especially a priest (the most convenient role for a scum to assume by far since he can’t be contradicted by a real priest and would be considered unrecruitable), who’s primary importance is that he could baffle attempts to recruit him. Now, if Pleo is telling the truth, they know to recruit elsewhere. Pleo said he wanted to stop the town from talking about us all Day? Yeah, that worked well for him. I think he’s smarter than that.
But, I could be wrong. A night kill would at least give Pleo a chance to throw out his prayer and I’m still not convinced the vigilante is anything but a liability for the Town.
I’ve fixed the vote, but, I’m not sure how the rest should be changed since there are some incomplete quotes, and that sort of thing. Perhaps it would be best if you reposted as I don’t want to make any wrong assumptions, and the way I tried to fix it ended up with some weird unattributed quotes.
Sorry for missing some votes toDay… I’m not an accountant by nature. 
I believe the below should be wholly correct as I’ve reviewed the entire Day (and in the original order).
Vote tallies:
Pleonast (6) - Hockey Monkey, (Menocchio), Freudian Slit, bufftabby, (Diomedes), Millit the Frail, OneCentStamp, Darth Sensitive
Menocchio (5) - Diomedes*, dotchan, CapnPitt, Pleonast, Idle Thoughts
HazelNutCoffee (2) - Blaster Master, chrisk
Freudian Slit (1) - Hawkeyeop
bufftabby (0) - (Idle Thoughts)
Has yet to cast a vote on Day 2:
NAF1138
MHaye
Santo Rugger
Koldanar
HazelNutCoffee
Hotflungwok
sinjin
Hal Briston
No current vote but has voted:
Menocchio
Wow, this game is pretty frustrating (I assume it’s worse if you’re on the block). I’m convinced that either Pleo or Mennochio is scum. But not both. So I’m in a position where I’m forced to accuse two people of being scum, one of whom I’m nearly positive isn’t. But I’m 60/40 in my mind. So far I’m sticking with Mennochio for being too bloodthirsty, but that role claim from Pleo was just bizarre. I might change my vote yet, but man this sucks already.
You are? That’s rather silly of you. It’s extraordinarily likely that they’re both town. What makes you think one of the two of them is scum?
And that, ladies and gents, is a classic scum tell.
vote CapnPitt
Dio I gave my reasons “I’m sticking with Mennochio for being too bloodthirsty, but that role claim from Pleo was just bizarre.”
And NAF, “classic,” really? If you want to think so, that’s fine, but you’re way off.
Actually, let me go a step further, for my own edification. What part of what I said is a “classic scum tell?”
I’m actually leaning towards going in with NAF. When I’ve played scum, I find itdifficult to post as wildly and freely as I do when I play as town (there’s a lot more at stake when you’re scum). But you don’t want to look like a lurker, either. So you toss out posts that don’t say much, that recap prior posts, and cast aspersions on other players without drawing attention to yourself from the aspersed.
Insisting that one or the other of us are scum. Both of us could just be townies who have made strategic errors (at least in selling ourselves to you as town). To suggest otherwise is a fallacy at best, and an attempt to kill two town (if I was lynched and revealed as town, would you then turn on Pleo Tomorrow?) at worse.
I’m leaning towards “fallacy” for the moment, but the point is valid.
By and large isn’t any vote at this point likely to be a fallacy at this point? All I was doing was pointing out my thought process (fallacious though it may be). I thought that’s what we wanted.
I’m saying that I thought it was Mennochio beforehand because of the pounce on Pleo for what was apparently minor. Then came the big early role claim and that seems like desperation. So I think Mennochio is scum for the early pounce. I didn’t actually suspect **Pleo ** at all until the role claim. It pinged my scumdar pretty strongly. Though at this point I tend to think it was just a desperation move to get his/her head off of the chopping block after being falsely accused. Therefore, as I said, I lean toward Menno my initial suspect as being scum. I’ll let somebody else do the math, but that’s what it seems like to me. As far as “turning” goes, there’ll be a whole load of new information come tomorrow, so I’d wait for the new evidence before I’d make any Day 3 decisions. I’ll not say that I wouldn’t still be suspicious of Pleo but there a bunch of things that could happen in the meantime.
And as far as aspersions go, we have to asperse somebody don’t we?
And NAF I’d like you to consider for a moment that perhaps, just perhaps, there’s the tiniest chance that I was sitting here bored, not wanting to go out into the cold, so I decided just to make a post. If being bored sometimes on a Saturday means that I’m scum, well then I’m guilty as charged. However, I’ll just say it again that you’re way off base.
I kind of have to agree with CapnPitt. This is pretty confusing. Having not played this before, I’m just not seeing the scumtells people are trying to point out. I can kind of see how being bloodthirsty can be one, but isn’t that kind of an obvious one? An easy one to avoid? I don’t see the pronoun thing as a big deal, but it could be something. The early role declaration is a bit suspicious, especially given the role, but we’ll have to see.
I just don’t have enough of a reason to lynch a player at this point.