Did you make sure, before you labeled her? I assume you’re not relying on reports from the lame steam media, as we know how inaccurate they can be.
I’d like to see this question answered. The white boys getting paid is just a right-wing fantasy at this point.
Go ahead. Make my day. Make your case for my having “labeled” the Guamanian Kaya Taitano.
I don’t see a whole lot of difference between this, and the Republicans crying out that the Parkland kids are “crisis actors”. Hell, my MAGA-hat-wearing landlord claims that the Sandy Hook shootings are a hoax. (I don’t even try to argue with him anymore. I’d have more success hitting my head against a wall, in that occasionally, the wall can at least be slightly dented).
Republicans tried to ruin David Hogg’s life.
It is your lucky day, person who wishes to have their day made
Your case for continueing to call out a person’s nationality, that proves she is not “white”, and, who is of a different gender, than you, is so you can prove to all of us that you disprove of her because she is not a “white” “person” “who agrees with you”.
So, therefore she, as, a person, and as, a human being, is easily dismissable.
And that her words, are those of a racist, you clever, human being.
The NY Post ran a headline on his criminal record. On the Today Show, they critically questioned his war record. He got slowly turned into the bad guy. “Sympathetic”. Sure.
Man, I wish there was a word for posting in such a way as to provoke angry, warnable responses. Alas, the terminology just isn’t there.
Given that so far, all engaging with doorhinge has done is drive the thread off topic and turn it into “give doorhinge attention: episode 4301”, maybe it would be best to not rise to the occasion, unless he posts something relevant.
As with others, I am very much curious which media reports did anything that even remotely qualifies as “slander”. Does anyone have an example?
Unless you are in the habit of mentioning what state every american that you speak of comes from, then you are singling out this individual for some reason.
What the reason is that you treat this american citizen differently than other american citizens that you talk about is one that only you know, and others can only speculate.
He is not calling out her nationality, as her nationality is that of a US citizen. If he kept saying “the American Kaya Taitano”, or “the United States Citizen Kaya Taitano”, then he’d be calling out her nationality. Instead, he is making a reference to the US territory she came from, just as he would say, “the Kentuckian Mitch Mcconnell”, or “the New Yorkian Donald Trump”.
Moderating:
Your continuing to label someone with their ethnicity in this thread can not be seen as anything other than being a jerk at the very least or as trolling. This is an official warning. Do not continue this behavior. In fact any further participation in this thread will be considered to be trolling. Do not post again in this thread.
No it isn’t. I don’t know rich people. I do know a number of middle-class people who decided to sacrifice other aspects of their life in order to pay for their children to go to Catholic school. My family was bordering on poor when they put my brother into a well respected Catholic school in the area. Merely paying for a private school is not necessarily an indication of wealth. That was my only point.
Perhaps a first-hand account of what the Covington area is like would help.
*… I still remember our music teacher at Woodfill Elementary School taking time out of his lesson to explain to us that a Jewish kid had enrolled in the school, as if it were some kind of scandal. A Jew, by his definition, was somebody who didn’t believe in Jesus. Imagine the shocked reactions of a room full of third graders, and that being their first exposure to Judaism.
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Tuition at these schools is around $10,000 per year, per student; these students aren’t the children of impoverished coal miners in eastern Kentucky. Northern Kentucky has some of the best public schools in the nation, so it’s fair to question the motivations of parents who nonetheless choose to spend that kind of money for parochial school.
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I’ve seen the same smirk on the faces of the kids who bullied me in school, on the faces of former bosses who abused and cheated their staff, and on the faces of white people telling racist jokes. It’s the smirk that says they know they can get away with it because they face no consequences. …*
Yes, not unbiased, but apparently the writer lived through that (at least through elementary school), so he has a right to be biased.
Fair enough, but as comparison, I do know a number of “lower-class” people who sacrifice many aspects of their life in order to pay for their children to have a roof over their head and food on the table, private school is only a fantasy.
I’ll agree that $9,000 a year is not all that much compared to other private schools, for instance, but it is still out of reach of many people, no matter what they sacrifice. It is within reach of a middle class family who doesn’t want to have their kids go to the same school as the public, it helps that many of the schools have tuition assistance that can help to make up the shortfall.
I also do know a number of quite wealthy people, who do pay full tuition to send their kids to private schools, then complain that their taxes are used to support public schools.
ETA: You probably know more wealthy people that you know you know. Your boss, maybe your customers, or your landlord. We have a tough time living our lives without getting to know at least some of these wealthy individuals. That was actually my point, meant in a slightly facetious way.
Speaking as someone who went to one of the biggest Catholic high schools in Houston at the time (it may be the biggest now), there were VERY few “rich” people in our school. Lots of upper middle class people- the typical parent was a well paid mid-career professional type- partners at law firms, CPAs who owned their own practice, consulting firm partners, small businessmen (for example one classmate’s dad owned several print shop franchises). They could support the cost of a private education without much issue, but it wasn’t chump change for most of them either.
And there were nearly as many classmates whose parents weren’t quite so well off- in-house accountants/finance people, staff engineers, consulting and law firm associates, IT people, etc… for whom the tuition costs were very significant. And we had a lot of students who were on some degree of financial aid or other- from nearly full-rides (me) to just a few hundred a semester of work-study assistance.
The actually “rich” classmates probably added up to maybe 8-9 out of probably 600 students at the time. And they were on another plane entirely; one guy and his dad went to the Super Bowl EVERY year (no idea what his dad did). A lot of them were families from Latin America, actually. One guy’s family at one point owned a couple of coffee roasting factories in Houston. Not some rinky-dink artisanal affair; we’re talking about an old Maxwell House facility and another similarly sized factory.
But they were a very tiny minority. Most were middle/upper middle class families. Most had to make non-trivial sacrifices to afford private school, especially the ones with multiple sons attending.
And how many burger flippers were sending their kids to that school?
My son attended, not a Catholic, but a non denominational Christian school. I think tuition is around $5,000 a year. They give free scholarships including transportation, to several Kansas City inner city kids.
Now as I understand it, several Catholic schools do the same. Give poor, inner city kids a chance to avoid the crappy inner city schools, and get a good education.
Too bad those nice, fancy public schools in the suburbs dont do the same.
How many “burger flippers” send their kids to decent public schools?
At least private schools offer scholarships and a way out of those ghetto schools.
Not many, but that wasn’t my point. My point was that very few of the families who sent their sons there were “wealthy” or “rich”. Most were middle-class or upper middle class.
As for motivation? In my school’s case, it was almost always academic. The school’s been ranked 5th in the top Catholic schools in the nation in some rankings, and #2 in Texas in others. And #4 overall(public and private) in Houston at times.
Why would public schools give scholarships to go to a school that is free to attend?
The ones that live in districts with decent public schools. Public schools vary in quality quit dramatically, and housing prices are often reflected in the quality of the school. A MW burger may easily be priced out of areas that are in good districts.
Those “ghetto schools” are the only way for those who cannot afford a private school to get any education at all. Unless they are offering scholarships to all students, then the fact that they take the best students and leave the public schools to deal with what is left isn’t really all that great an advertisement for their public contribution.
Wealth is relative. Most of the people that you described would be well into the top quintile. That may not be “rich” to them, and it may not seem “wealthy” to their peers, but they are still making more than 80% of the population.
Not sure what that is in response to. Is that motivation for the school, the students, the community, or the parents?
No shit, Sherlock. And none of that 80% is making their living picking batteries out of a landfill to recycle, or working in a shipbreaking yard in Goa in totally unsafe conditions for a tiny wage either. So it is relative.
I think you’re overestimating what the top quintile actually means in terms of purchasing power; it doesn’t avail you of much “rich” person stuff, if any. According to this site:
it looks a lot like an exponential curve- in other words, the 75th percentile is fair closer to the 50th than it is to the 90th in terms of dollars, even though it’s only 15 percentile points away. And the distance between the 90th and 95th is almost as far as the distance in dollars between the 90th and the 50th.
Yes, making 110k for a family is a lot more than making 61k. But it’s not what we think of as “rich” either- it doesn’t mean you don’t have to work, it doesn’t mean you don’t have financial worries, and it doesn’t mean you can be extravagant. What it does mean is that you have cushion if things go wrong, and you can choose to do things like live in a nicer area with better schools, or send your kids to private school if you so choose.
It’s a selective admission academically oriented school. Not everyone with money gets in- you have to have a certain test score, get certain grades, and get recommendations, etc… and they will kick your ass out if you don’t keep up academically (my first year- 1987, our freshman class went from about 150 to about 110 after the first year because people couldn’t hack it)
So the main motivation for going there is for the education and the academic prestige from having gone there- you have a very good chance of getting into a better college than otherwise, or getting more/better scholarships than you might have.
(anecdotal story- when I was applying for scholarships during the last semester of high school, I was at one of the major Texas public universities and they read out the qualifications- a certain SAT score, and a certain class rank percentile. I asked why I’d been invited to attend this thing- I didn’t have that particular class rank. They asked where I went, I told them, and they said, in front of 100 people or so, “Oh, that’s different- we don’t require the same class rank from your school.”)
There was actually a lawsuit a few years back where some alumnus really wanted his son to go to school there, so he started donating a lot of money starting when the kid was in elementary school, but when it came time for him to start high school, he didn’t measure up, and they told him to take a hike. His dad sued, saying he should have been let in for donating.
I know some garbage pickers. Mostly aluminum cans and other recyclables, but they’d take batteries too, if you throw them out.
While he was ripping a compressor out of a discarded deep freezer, my buddy got a deep laceration all the way down his arm. No insurance, of course, so he waited until it was festering to go to the ER. Almost lost it, and still, years later, doesn’t have full use of it.
Like I said.
And you are overestimating what the lower quintiles actually means in terms of purchasing power.
Yep, we’ve got some real wealth disparity in this country. Of course, what that doesn’t look at is the relative value of each marginal dollar. Making 16k rather than 15k a year is a much, much bigger difference than making 111k rather than 110k.
It does mean that you have to decide if you are going to get a new car this year, or wait until next year and spend more on the family vacation, rather than deciding whether you are going to eat this week in order to make rent.
But, as you said, it give you choices, options, ability to make wrong decisions and still come out on top, while giving your children that same advantage over others who are less fortunate.
So, it has top scoring students, because it picks the best students, and then kicks out any that do not stay up to the standards. Yeah, having gone to that school does demonstrate to colleges that you are better at academics than those who did not get in, but it doesn’t actually mean that the school itself is any better.
Hard to say, if you left these high performing students in public school, that they would not have learned just as much.
Makes sense, if they have already gotten rid of anyone who would not be at that rank. It is a pre-culled student body that they send on.
Yep, like we have both said, wealth gives people options. Enough wealth makes people think that they can have anything they want.
So, did he win?
I don’t know if either party in this MAGA-hat kid case can demonstrate damages sufficient to win a law suit against the “media”, but I do know from experience that the media can be sued successfully for making a negligent, though innocent mistake. I cite my ex-spouse:
Years ago, I was eating breakfast in my living room while watching the Today Show on NBC. Katie Couric was reporting a breaking story: a scandal involving the sitting POTUS. Out of a sense of propriety, I won’t name names ( … but his name rhymes with Chill Kitten).
I looked up from my bowl of cereal and nearly spilled a spoon of Cocoa Puffs on my lap when my eyes focused on the huge head-shot on the big screen behind and to the side of Katie. It was my fiancee.
*Hey babe, if you’re going to cheat on me, I guess you could do worse than the POTUS. *
It was a simple case of mistaken identity made by Reuters. Over the next day or two her head-shot was plastered in news stories around the globe.
Wife-to-be immediately hired a prestigious, shark attorney and sued Reuters, NBC, CBS, Newsweek, Time, U.S. News & World Report, and other news agencies I no longer recall. They settled quickly (as a group) and my my fiancee walked away with a cool ~$380,000. She wanted to go to trial for bigger bucks (she’s like a human pit-bull in many ways … as I later learned, much to my chagrin), but her attorney convinced her to quit while they were ahead.
So, yes, the “media” can be sued successfully. You just have to demonstrate damages, and hire a shark.