So it appears that Trump is going to push the anti-vaxxer agenda. I don’t even know what to say anymore. In another thread somebody said they hoped that Trump would implement policies to make America great, is this the kind of stuff you were hoping for?
He won’t, he can’t, there’s a limit. There is a limit! Has to be a limit!
As I said in a pit thread, an issue like Global Warming (That Trump also foolishly does not see as an problem) can cause death if we are not controlling emissions; however, we can prepare and prevent that issue from causing death. But the anti-vaccine position or even the **fake **moderate idea to “spread the vaccines” or “give the parents a choice” will cause deaths.
Really evil.
Moved from Elections to The Pit.
[Maui] You’re welcome [/Maui]
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Let’s see…
Trump does something which causes a LOT of deaths.
Then mainstream media reports it.
Trump tweets it is not true (what they are reporting).
And his blind sheep followers believe Trump… That is until someone close to them dies, THEN they wake up!
I guess we need to fix these blind sheep followers. Be ready to “rub it in their nose” when bad stuff happens. Then try to get them to read/watch mainstream media instead of FOX or RT. Teach them the error of their ways.
Unfortunately, no.
THEN, they blame someone else.
I was on a plane the other day, and my seatmates were a middle-aged woman and her teenaged daughter.
The woman loved to talk, and when she found out that i teach college history, she launched into an anti-Trump rant. I was a bit taken aback; i’m always sort of surprised when people harangue strangers on political topics.
But i was even more surprised at her last point. She said that she is always willing to look for the good in people, and she took some comfort from the fact that Trump was talking with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and was apparently a supporter of “vaccine choice.” She said, “I’m not anti-vaccine, but i think everyone has a right to choose whether or not to vaccinate.”
She then launched into a diatribe about conspiracies between medical researchers and drug companies and the government, designed to maximize profit and hide the deleterious effects of vaccines from the American people.
It was about then that i made excuses about needing to work, and got back to my reading.
We already “give the parents a choice”. If that is fake moderate, I presume your real moderate stance would favor abduction and strapping to a table.
Hey Bone, thanks!
My god, what a tool. I hope you don’t breed.
I bet you’re the coolest guy in your chat room with those awesome flames.
Many of them claimed to have voted for Trump to “punish” America for not paying attention to them, and a plague would hurt lots of people so yes; they probably love the idea of a new Black Death style epidemic. Anything that hurts and kills people, Trump supporters love.
Nope, you are using the **crank **definition of parental choice. In reality that should be only for parents that have reasonable reasons to oppose vaccination, like a history of allergies to an specific type of vaccine.
Virtually all other reasons why not to vaccinate or change schedules are just coming from cranks and are abused by some groups that will be now more emboldened thanks to the unscientific politicians. (Right now most of them are Republicans)
This is unusually stupid even for you, Will.
No one is forcibly vaccinated, nor does anyone (except maybe a handful of kooks/trolls) advocate such a thing. The “moderate” position in the U.S. has long been to give antivax parents access to dubious religious or “philosophical” exemptions from having their children vaccinated before being admitted to public schools. Sadly 
this “moderate” stance has been whittled down in California to antivax parents’ getting the choice to homeschool their kids if they don’t qualify for medical exemptions. In the event of additional serious preventable disease outbreaks around the country, expect that increasingly to be the default “moderate” position.
I understand the appeal of “vaccine choice” to the I-don’t-wanna-and-you-can’t-make-me sort of libertarians, which is most of them.
For some reason I read this as "they hoped that Trump would implement placebos to make America great. 
He is just following his orders from Moscow.
Even if one is reasonable and does think that that is hyperbole, The Kremlin really does not need to send spies to the USA to undermine it, just help the USA elect ignorant leaders and then eventually the opponents of the USA will just need to kick on the door and the then whole shoddy structure will fall down.
You beat to this ! I was going to say that too.
No.
My definition of parental choice is the prevailing status quo in parts of the country I’m familiar with. Parents do not have to have their child vaccinated. If you want to take that option away, that puts you on the extreme authoritarian fringes on this issue. Wrong fringes.
You are upset that parents can choose to not vaccinate, yet you claim nobody wants to
forcibly vaccinate. Confused thinking. What would you like to happen if parents refuse to have their children vaccinated?
Their children should not be allowed to attend public schools. You may have the right to not have your children vaccinated; you do NOT have the right to endanger others because of your stupidity.
Or daycare, or sports, or the park, or birthday parties. Really, anything that would have your child coming into contact with any other children. Church I suppose is okay, as long as all members agree, and there is a big sign out front that says, “Our children have not been vaccinated.” The CDC will visit from time to time when your children start dying from preventable diseases, they have not gotten all that much data on many of these in modern times, (as vaccines have prevented them from making outbreaks in first world nations) so your child’s sacrifice will at least do a small amount of good.
Oh, and if you choose not to vaccinate, whether it be universal healthcare, or insurance, any complications that arise from preventable illness should not be socialized, and the parents who made the decision can bear the cost of it.
So, if you are willing to lock you child up, and not allow them to socialize with their peers, and not receive medical treatment when they do get sick, then you can skip the vaccines.
Now, it is to wonder if it is ethical to isolate a child like that, but who are we to dictate what choices parents make about their children?
It is a choice, if you choose to receive the benefits from society, there are some small obligations that are asked of you. If you refuse those small obligations, then society has no reason to give you (and your child) those benefits.
I agree that schools should be allowed to require vaccines to attend.