Not against Iraq; that was pure aggression on our part.
And resistance in general, if not a specific movement can last centuries. Just look at the British Empire; their victims never stopped resenting them and trying to throw them out, and they are still hated in much of the world. I see no reason to think that the Iraqis will stop hating us no matter how long we stay there and abuse them. They should hate us; it is their moral duty to do so, as far as I’m concerened.
Again you’re ignoring my example of Kurds and pro-American Iraqis. Plus the British wanted to outright annex other territories and were far more brutal.
So what? The Kurds are hardly most people there; and what makes you think there are many “pro-American” Iraqis? And how does any of that justify us killing tens of thousands and ruining the lives of far more? How “pro-American” are the murdered homosexuals, the ethnically cleansed, the women who can’t get an education thanks to us going to be?
Somehow I doubt that the Iraqis are ever going to see devastating their country in order to turn it into a puppet as all that different.
I said maybe coming into Iraq was a mistake (although we may have seen Saddam Hussein be more of a nuisance had he lived) but we should finish the job.
Maybe, maybe not. Depends on how well off Iraq is twenty, thirty, or fifty years from now.
How many of the Kurds are actually pro-American anyway ? Last time I checked, they were quite pissed off by what, in their eyes, was a betrayal from the US that got most of them killed back in Gulf War I.
Since we went in there with evil motives, we should do no such thing.
Oh, please. If Iraq is ever anything but a hellhole it will be in spite of America, and they know it. And the dead will still be dead. I realize that you and your fellow pro-conquest types have no concern for the lives of Iraqis, but I guarantee you our victims don’t agree.
Let’s say President Bush had buckled to the pressure of the Democrats back in '07 and decided to withdraw from Iraq. Iraq would have collapsed into civil war and more people would have died-hundreds of thousands more. Possibly even genocide of Sunnis.
That post is such utter nonsense it’s not even funny. If American corporations and government are the primary funders of Iraq’s economic rebuilding how will be “in spite of it”. And I do have concern for the lives of the Iraqis which is why I don’t favour immediate withdrawal which would just kill more Iraqis. In fact if anyone doesn’t care for the Iraqis it’s you and other leftists who’d love to see Iraq fall into chaos and civil war to discredit Bush and other conservatives and so they can be elected into power.
They rose up in the Liberation of Iraq. Plus they unlike the Sunnis or Shias haven’t launched anti-American insurgencies-though they have launched anti-Turkish ones.
Hum, yeah, this might be a weird idea by American standards, but “not shooting at you” isn’t the same thing as being “pro you” 
Maybe it isn’t but they certainly know we’re better than Hussein.
Or not. And what makes you think that won’t happen when we leave?
Except that we’ve done nothing of the sort. We’ve sabotaged their economy from the beginning, warped it and rewrote their laws to fit Republican economic dogma, and used the Iraqi occupation as an opportunity to funnel money to corrupt corporations. There’s been no serious attempt at rebuilding, nor did we ever intend one.
We cannot, and will not leave Iraq better off because we don’t want to. WE are the bad guys here. We went there out of greed, indiscriminate bloodlust and as an ideological/religious crusade; we were not and are not even remotely well meaning. If Iraq is EVER to recover, the first thing that needs to happen is the removal of America from it. America isn’t going to try to make it a better place any more than a rapist is going to try to make his victim better; the best thing he can do for her is leave.
We aren’t; most of them were better off under him than us.
The US has stablized Iraq to some extent.
Say that to the thousands of aid workers and charities who are there to make Iraq a better place.
What the-? Also why do refer to US as “he” all countries are feminine. Plus if the war was mainly out of selfishness why didn’t President Bush do the popular thing and pull out of Iraq? He hasn’t profited from it-indeed it has made him hated by leftist ideologues. Oil prices are not down because of Iraq. Plus your fanatical dogmatic belief that “WE MUST WITHDRAW FROM IRAQ.” has no basis in reality-it’s in fact a religious belief as much as my opinion of God is.
Who do you mean? Are you talking about the Sunni Baathist elite? Sure they are worse off than before. But the Kurds definately not.
First, he’s an incompetent, malignant fool. Second, he got to kill Saddam, got Saddam’s gun as a trophy, and got to preen about how awesome he is. Plus, he killed foreigners, destroyed Iraqi secularism, and in general made life hell on earth for millions. I’m sure he was quite happy with his accomplishments. What dose he care what most of humanity thinks, as long as he can wallow in the suffering of others?
You do realize that most of the world population opposed what we did from the beginning? And hated him, too. Not just “leftist ideologues”.
And his buddies in the oil industry profited by that immensely.
Women are worse off; that’s half the population right there. Possibly you like the idea that women can no longer get educations or have the relative freedom they did under Saddam; it would fit with your religious/political philosophy. Then there’s the persecution and murders of homosexuals, the general end of religious tolerance, the ethnic cleansing, and on and on.
What an utter cartoonish view of the President you have. I might as well say President Obama is an “evul Communist Muslim Atheist Neo-Nazi” :rolleyes:
Not really since a lot of people are using less oil.
I don’t think Saddam was that tolerant of homosexuals or Shias either. :rolleyes:
There was more tolerance for women and homosexuals under his reign than ours. The population as a whole was better off under him than us.
Over half the students in college were women when Saddam was in charge. The various sects intermarried and lived in mixed communities. Women held jobs and could wear western clothes. We took care of that.
Which isn’t our fault. It is the anti-American and current Iraqi government terrorists who are causing the majority of the violence. Indeed we have now restored some order and there is hope for Iraq. Liberals who laughed at George W Bush’s actions are either blind to reality or ignoring it.
If relations were so good why did it fall apart as soon as Saddam fell? Was Saddam some sort of Tito?
The people we let loose, and in the case of the government put into what power they have, in other words.
He’s a monster, his actions were monstrous. Laughter is hardly how I feel towards him.
And there will be no hope for Iraq until America leaves.
He was the one who maintained order; we didn’t seriously try. We just let everything fall apart, because we did not and do not care in the slightest what happens to the Iraqi people. We are there for wholly selfish, evil purposes, and always have been.
Which ignores the after effects of the Surge and the current state of Iraq.
You continue to spew this utter rubbish about America being evil and etc. while ignoring everything that has happened.
In fact you do seem to have a religion-except it’s a religion based on the hatred rather than the adoration of something. It is the religion of America-Hate-believing America to be some sort of a satanic utterly irredeemable embodiment of pure evil.
A hellhole occupied by their enemies, aka us.
Don’t be silly; “what has happened” is WHY I denounce America.
I’ve said nothing of the sort.