That’s because he’s not debating, but merely giving his own opinion.
The only problem I see is that there’s really no difference between not being cruel to animals for their own sake and not being cruel to animals because it somehow diminishes the human. However, it does more neatly explain why an animal that kills another is not a murderer, instead of invoking some form of “They don’t know any better” that would not fly for humans.
For an expert, sure. But is it really relevant whether an expert can tell the difference if most everyone else can’t? The experts are few and should not control the entire industry.
Of course he’s not debating. But he is addressing other’s (people’s) opinions. More like argueing, I’d say.
It’s preposterous to claim that hanging a cat isn’t cruel because that cat isn’t a person. So I assuime that **Martin Hyde ** is having fun with this.
Slight hijack, but I’ve heard this too and have never met a swan or geese in person. They are poofy birds, with no teeth or claws, and probably weigh less than a small dog. What can they possibly do to you?
They bite fucking HARD and when they hit with their wings it hurts like a bitch.
Swans can weigh well over 20 lbs and they can be aggressivg pricks. Geese are a bit smaller but no less mean.
I’ve watched birds eat in the wild, both live and by film, and they do stuff that makes fois gras feeding look tame. I simply do not buy that the feeding technique is cruel to birds, as it would be to humans. The birds don’t fight the feeding at all. - YouTube
If you don’t like eating meat, then don’t eat meat. But humans have just as much right to eat meat as any other omnivore or carnivore.
I don’t know where you got the idea I don’t like meat. If you would read these posts you would know better. Are you in the right thread?
And I think we’re more like scavengers than anything else.
I’d disagree with it. We keep a small flock of laying hens (gratuitouschickenphotos), and while they’re not exactly geniuses, they have personalities and a complex social order, and learn things reasonably quickly. They’re friendly and affectionate, and clearly enjoy doing their natural chicken thing of running around, scratching the ground and eating bugs. They can become extremely depressed if deprived of the company of other chickens. I’d say they’re about as intelligent as a not-terribly-bright dog.
I used “you” in the general sense, not you specifically. From what I have seen, making fois gras is no crueler than raising cattle or other meat products.
As for the people who question whether geese can harm people, it is ill advised to have small children feed bread to geese as they would to ducks. Geese are mean and can easily break the bones of a small child.
I broadly agree with Martin Hyde. Animals aren’t people. That’s not the end of the analysis, it is just the start, but I, too, hold the following two things to be true:
Animal cruelty is horrible
Animals shouldn’t have rights
It is true that by holding (2) I therefore permit instances of (1) without social retribution (or would, if (2) were actually instituted in our society everywhere). This is quite unfortunate, but I hold a lot of views about unfortunate things that I also don’t think should be enshrined in law, or at least accept that they are without much dismay. I don’t think all people I hate should face fines or jail terms. I’d rather make cheating on an informal mate or spouse illegal sooner than make animal cruelty illegal. But here we are anyway.
Well, that long snaky neck of theirs give their beak a singularly long reach, with great speed & accuracy too. That comes as a surprise since normally all it does is make them look silly. They might not have teeth, but the fuckers will still snap shut like fricking oysters. Take flesh no problem, maybe break the small bones of your hands if they feel like it. Or they can simply peck at you with closed beak, which still feels like getting worked over with a claw hammer.
They’ll also slap you around with their wings - again, that comes as a surprise but they’ve got a good wingspan and big ol’ muscles to flap their wings forever on long migrations. It knocks the wind out of you, and in the face well, might as well have been slapped good and hard by an adult.
And most of all, the males are ornery, aggro motherfuckers. Once they’ve decided that your punk ass was theirs, they just won’t let up. They’ll chase you around, they’ll keep trying to fight you forever if you try and calm them down or restrain them… geese is basterds, plain and simple.
How do you sleep at night, thinking this way? So we can just treat animals any horrible way we want if “it makes others happy and glad?” I’m sure it makes some people happy and glad to see dogs deliberately run over, like you used as an example- would it therefore be OK?:mad:
The fact that Ramsay could distinguish between the two in a double blind test is significant. The fact that he said “regular” foie gras is better than “humane” foie gras is irrelevant without more knowledge as to what he might have to gain or lose from a professional standpoint for voicing that opinion. I’m not saying he’s necessarily wrong, mind you, but taste is of course a subjective matter. In other words, I really don’t care what Ramsay has to say, I’d want to try both for myself.
