right. it’s just, if they were killed in the hypoxia climb, that solves that.
i don’t think anyone was alive long enough to know there was an issue. just another WAG.
there are too many reasons for no contact from the passengers: lack of cell connections, perhaps a misdirect on the reason of an altered pathway; simply being unable to recognize a change in altitude or flight path. that youtube vid of how hypoxia happens makes me hope i die of hypoxia because you don’t even know it’s happening.
i sadly do not think, no matter the other factors, the passengers were much alive for very long. suicide or sensational landing plot–i think conking out the passengers was a straightaway process.
i mean who knows. it’s so crazy, all of this. if you were that man, that pilot–and say your whole will to live vanished–why not just shoot yourself in some closet? why take down a small town’s worth of other humans??
we tend to think of pilot suicide as selfish but it’s not; it’s murder. and nothing lends me the idea this man or his co-pilot was a murderer.
another aspect i can’t help but consider is the kind of clandestine nature of the revealing of info.
it has been said the Malaysian PM only finally admitting the whole thing was “confirmed” deliberate because someone enforced the idea other countries can review their radar data if he makes that known.
that implies we knew long before it was revealed that yes, it was clear this was deliberate.
many sources point out cases where the national “official” outcome suited secondary circumstances…that is, in Egypt they never officially accepted the pilot suicide because it conflicted with certain ideologies. it could be in Malaysia declaring this “intentional” dispatches a level of responsibility from the government to pursue finding the wreckage. an accident means we gotta keep looking; a deliberate criminal act means “stop wasting time and money looking. that is a better outcome for us.”
Malaysian officials have kind of made it look like they are either retarded or just lying. giving the international percussions, there’s no real way to tell what we “officially” know vs what we actually know. i suspect we know more than us normals will ever catch wind of.
and i HATE IT.
it gives all the moonbats conspiracy fuel that i can’t even argue anymore.
My guess is at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. If there’s anything still floating, it hasn’t been found yet. They’ve only just started looking in the southern part of the ocean.
If it was pilot suicide, there’s a chance that there was a political protest angle to it. The pilot was a strong supporter of the opposition political party whose leader was sentenced to five years in prison (for a plausibly trumped up charge of homosexual sodomy) just hours before the flight. Some reports have said the pilot, who has been photographed wearing a t-shirt that says “Democracy is Dead”, was at the trial as a spectator, but I don’t think that’s been confirmed. At any rate, a few hours later he took control of MH 370. It’s an awfully big jump to killing an airplane full of people, especially when there’s no other indication of that level of despair in him, but in the absence of any other motivation, it’s enough of a possibility that the police are looking into it.
He/they might have died with everyone else when the plane rose to 45,000 feet. If the autopilot was programmed to turn south when the plane got out over the Indian Ocean, I imagine it would keep going until it ran out of fuel. Hypoxia, as I just learned, is a good way to die if you have a choice.
It’s basically unprecedented when it comes to commercial pilots to do such things - but it wouldn’t be totally out of the realms of possibility for the pilot and co-pilot to be in one something together - weirder things have happened.
As mentioned upthread: because the black box only records a 2 hour loop. If you want to make it difficult to prove suicide, then set the plane on autopilot and make sure it’ll continue for more than 2 hours. That way there’s no record of what happened earlier.
This whole incident is chock full of unprecedented.
It was reported in the news that the pilot and co-pilot did not request to be together. They happened to be assigned to the same flight. So it’s unlikely they collaborated.
Not quite. The flight data recorder will record about 25 hours of data, so it will have the entire flight on it as well as several previous flights. The cockpit voice recorder on the other hand, is only required to record 30 minutes of data but the modern units record 2 hours. A B777 is most likely to have a 2 hour CVR. So if they end up getting found the FDR will be able to tell us what happened, but unless those in the cockpit do a lot of reminiscing about how clever they were when they <insert theory here>, we wont know much about why or how.
Or perhaps it has been planned for a long time and all they needed to do was wait till they were rostered together.
I gather that the gap between the arcs is partly because if it had been in that gap one of the other INMARSAT satellites would’ve got a signal off it. So because it was only picked up by one satellite its position must be limited to the area of coverage that is unique to that satellite. As it is, those arcs are actually the centre of an area about 400-500NM wide because they think it had about 30 minutes of fuel remaining at the time of the last ping. There are graphics on other websites that make the entire search area a bit clearer.
Well, it’s not like committing suicide by driving a plane and more than 200 passengers into the sea is exactly rational in the first place - so who’s to know?
For those who persist in going along the catastrophic failure line of thought, the aircraft flew from waypoint to waypoint along a published air route. That is not going to happen randomly, it requires someone to program the flight management computer.
Need more information about the flight sim airports before drawing any kind of conclusions. Everyone who has Microsoft FlightSim probably has those airports and a gazillion others. So were they just in the database or is there some evidence (saved flight routes, saved position freezes) that suggests he was actually practicing flying to them. Even if there is, maybe he just likes doing stuff for fun. Most people with a flight sim have flown airliners under bridges and through valleys. That doesn’t mean they are practicing for the real thing though.
“I don’t recollect the name, but when the photographs were shown I remembered I had seen him at party meetings,” Anwar said of Zaharie at the headquarters of his People’s Justice Party outside Kuala Lumpur. “He doesn’t hold positions in the party, but is an active member in the sense that he has been seen with the party’s parliamentary leaders, taking photographs with them,” Anwar added.
there’s a report that says he (the captain) is one of his “sons in law” (I guess that means he’s the brother of one his childrens’ spouse - the article didn’t specify…
Yeah there’s a couple of big problems with the information we’ve been getting.
First, they release stuff in a way that makes it worse than useless. They will state things without giving enough detail to be able to assess if what they are saying is of any significance.
Second, they don’t owe us any of those details. We don’t have any inherent right to know everything the investigators know, and the only reason we want to know is so we can join in being amateur sleuths and try and figure out what happened.
So they give us minimal information in dribs and drabs which is frustrating, and there is absolutely no need or reason for them to do it any differently, which is doubly frustrating.
I suspect that if it was a stock standard accident they would be much more forthcoming with their info.
I took an international flight a couple of years ago on a plane with the in-flight tracker available on the entertainment system and the pilot decided to fly around some particularly bad weather rather than through it (or above/below) and the plane on the screen changed direction and the red line behind it certainly reflected the dog-leg created by the amended route as the plane flew on.
Those things also usually display airspeed, altitude, outside temperature and other info that leads me to believe they are relaying actual info from the on-board systems and not just a representation of what should theoretically be happening.
Something nagging me about the flying-to-erase-voice-recorder theory - is that the best way to erase the voice recorder? Sounds like letting your car run out of fuel to turn off the engine. If you know where the VR is, can’t you just… reengineer it physically? Isn’t it easily accessible in the cockpit?