Man wins lawsuit after cop uses excessive force. City refuses to pay because...

…the cop was not authorized to use excessive force. No, really.

This means that if the fry guy at McDonalds goes all crazy and throws hot oil at you while you are standing in line, McDonald’s is not responsible because throwing hot oil at the customer is not in his job description.

This means that if while changing your tire the guy from the auto repair place can hit you in the head with the crowbar and Goodyear is not responsible because that is unauthorized use of a crowbar.

Really, this is horrible and apparently legal. So if you have someone do something to you that causes you injury, pain and suffering, you better hope he has deep pockets because his employers are in the clear, even if those employers are the city and the guy who beat you is a cop.

This is lunacy.

So if I’m harmed by A but A has no money, I can’t just sue B who never did anything to me but has lots of money?

What exactly does a tire manufacturer have to do with some psycho in a garage?

Got a text version? It only makes sense if the guy sued the cop for the excessive force instead of the the city for negligence and inadequate supervision

Goodyear also runs service facilities.

IANAL but I think that’s a crappy analogy. Because generally I wouldn’t think the McDonald’s corporation is responsible for the insane actions of a random employee in one of their restaurants.

There were no other police around to try to stop what was obviously unauthorized brute force?

I want to see the text version, too. Otherwise I’m calling RO after reading little more than the headline.

IANAL but my understanding is that in general employees are considered to be acting as agents of the employer so you actually do have cause to sue McDonalds if one of their employees harms you.

Hoo boy, this is a messy area of law. I am definitely not qualified to speak as an authority, but in as far as I understand, zoid basically has it. There’s a ton of complications, however, and McDonalds would not necessarily be responsible for an employee suddenly flipping his shit and going on a rampage. There’s a very fine line here, because employers are usually responsible for things which happen in the specific course of business (in this case, frying burgers or arresting suspects), while they are not responsible for things which happen outside of that.

The city is likely to end up in a lot of trouble with a judge one way or another. IIRC, police officers engaging in brutal behavior during the course of their work is absolutely a situation where the employer (police department and city) are at risk. That said, I am unfamiliar with Colorado law and it’s possible there’s some legal out I don’t understand. Highly doubt it, though.

That was my thinking; just because the city doesn’t agree with the verdict, it doesn’t mean that they can just thumb their nose at you and not pay up.

More than likely, they’re appealing that decision to a higher court and are refusing to pay until that’s decided, which is entirely legitimate.

Here’s the probable story.

Per this blog entry, it appears that the city was dismissed as a defendant in the case quite some time ago. I haven’t been able to learn how they managed that.

Here’s one about the deputy’s firing.

Wouldn’t the city have to show that it has tried to prevent this behavior in order for it to be (mostly) off the hook?

If they have made good faith efforts in training police and disciplining the bad ones, it could be said that they could not have prevented the outcome. Only if the city was negligent could they really be held responsible, though I’m not sure if that works for this particular job.

It’s all going to come down to HOW, exactly, the city succeeded in arguing for removal from the complaint. I haven’t been able to find an explanation for that, and I do not have access to the resources that should enable an experienced searcher to do so.

Also, it’s not been established that the former deputy has no assets that can be seized. The plaintiff’s attorney is on record as saying that he would be okay with not getting his legal fees, as long as that outcome accompanies an environment in which evil-doing municipal employees cannot routinely count on being indemnified by the city.

I think this is an important point.

I’m not an expert on the law, so i’m don’t really know where the line is regarding what employers and and are not responsible for, when it comes to the actions of their employees. I’m sure that the laws differ from one jurisdiction to another.

As a matter of general principle, i’m somewhat conflicted. On the one hand, if the city can get itself off the hook in cases like this, it might mean that people who have been wronged (like the man in this case) end up receiving little or no compensation for having their rights violated.

On the other hand, as kaylasdad99’s post suggests, the fact that the city refuses to pay doesn’t not mean that the judgment simply disappears. The officer himself is now on the hook for it, and if the officer has a house or other assets, then those can (i assume) be taken as part of the judgment.

And this is where i’m conflicted. I think that employers should bear some responsibility for what is done by their employees, especially when we’re talking about the state and its law enforcement officers. But, by the same token, if cops knew that their egregious behavioral missteps would not be covered by their employers, and that violations like this could result in the loss of not only their job, but their house, they might be less inclined to go postal on members of the public.

On the other hand if the City is never held liable for the thuggery of it’s police force (and jeebus, this guy the shining example of police thuggery. Assault, then lying about it to everyone), they won’t be inclined to PREVENT such thuggery.

This is the problem. Accountability is non-existent in government, and specially in the police force. Things are never going to change if no one is ever held accountable.

Right. That’s why i’m somewhat conflicted over the issue. If the city can wash its hands of the thugs in its employment, it gives them no incentive to fix what are often structural problems of police brutality.

It’s called vicarious liability.

Basically, if your employee was doing what he was supposed to be doing, but in an improper way, you as an employer are liable for damages that result. In the McDonald’s fry case, dumping hot oil on a customer is completely unrelated to frying fries, and I doubt that McDonald’s would be liable solely because an employee did so (McDonalds itself might have some responsibility to police its employees, etc, but that’s a different basis of finding damage).

On the other hand, if an employee spilled oil from his fry basket on the floor and failed to clean it up, resulting in a slip and fall, McDonalds might be vicariously liable. Or perhaps if the employee splashed the basket into the oil forcefully, causing a splash burn on a customer or fellow employee, etc.

This is not my area of law.

But there are other aspects of liability. I might not be able to sue McDonald’s for vicarious liability for a cook deciding to splash me with hot oil. McDonald’s clearly doesn’t want it’s cooks to do that, and undoubtedly has strong policies that forbid it. It would be nearly impossible to argue that the cook’s hot oil attack was done in furtherance of his cooking duties.

But I might be able to sue McDonald’s under other theories, such as negligent hiring, training, or supervision. Sure, they didn’t want the cook to attack people with hot oil, but did their screening process weed out people with anger issues whose hot oil attacks might reasonably be foreseen? Did their training include warning signs for co-workers, so that such an incident would be detected in its early stages and stopped? Were managers instructed and empowered to act to reasonably assess such dangers and mitigate them?

Those are some of the kinds of theories under which the restaurant itself might be sued.

Now, Denver. Assuming the homeless man beaten by the deputy sheriff is the correct story, it seems that Denver was not, in fact, a party to the suit. The judgement was against the former deputy alone; the city was not a party to the trial.

Under some circumstances, though, the city indemnifies its employees – that is, it agrees to defend them and hold them harmless if they are sued for acts arising out of their employment.

It appears that this indemnification is at issue here. The city was not sued, and did not lose – but once the deputy lost, the city might have been on the hook to pay…a valuable outcome from the plaintiff’s point of view, since the deputy might not have the resources to pay the judgment and the city certainly does.

But the city says these particular facts don’t trigger its duty to indemnify.

Can the OP explain why he believes the city is incorrect in that assessment?

Per the second link in Post 11, the city was initially named in the civil suit; apparently they successfully petitioned the court to be dismissed as a defendant.

Indemnification may be the subject that interests you the most; I find myself pondering how the city succeeded in that petition.

If only we had some lawyers participating in this MB, who could look up the circumstances surrounding that.

Getting back to the indemnification issue, though, a matter for clarification, please: Does indemnification function as a catch-all term that covers both the award to the plaintiff and the plaintiff’s legal fees? Or is it just the legal fees, and the award to the plaintiff gets covered under “vicarious responsibility,” as mentioned above by Tabby_Cat?

If he’s using a crowbar to change a tire, you’ve gone to the wrong place anyway and probably deserve to be beat.

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