Hahahaha. There’s nothing wrong with questions unless you don’t like the questions. I didn’t bring up the possibility of using governor mansions, but I did publically consider their use.
Obama’s spin doctor ebola czar is relevant to any thread discussing mandatory ebola quarantine, whether you approve of his inclusion or not.
You don’t know the facts but the hospitals and governorS must have acted stupidly. (Why does that statement sound so familiar? hmmmm) Hickox WAS recently exposed to the ebola virus AND Hickox had a 100+ temperature reading. That triggered the isolation. The tent w/toilet was at least a quick fix to the problem of protecting the public from Hickox and Hickox from the public.
Bringing ebola here, to the U.S.A., created a new problem that hadn’t actually been prepared for. Many states have created their own solutions. Some must be better than others. Which is the best one? Obama’s invisible spin doctor ebola czar hasn’t publically addressed ANY of the ebola issues. But I don’t believe he was anointed to deal with any medical issues. I believe he was anointed to put the best spin on the many mistakes that the WH and CDC have made. Move along, move along, nothing to see here, especially the invisible ebola czar. Move along.
A quicker and more medically sound solution would have been to PUT HER IN A HOSPITAL ISOLATION ROOM, which major metropolitan areas have, even in New Jersey.
Didn’t the Dallas hospital report a drop in the number of elective patients after it became public that two of their healthcare workers had become infected from the ebola patient they had in their isolation room?
I suppose there are benefits to reinventing the wheel.
It doesn’t appear that any hospital was prepared for the ebola. Dallas Presbyterian was the 1st and the NJ hospital was 2nd. The plans get better as time and experience allows.
I would assume that the CDC would have (should have?) pre-prepared response plans, that could be issued when necessary, for various outbreaks and emergencies? Maybe not? (Maybe FEMA? How about a nice FEMA trailer? Formaldehyde might prove to be the magic cure for the ebola?)
Maybe Obama’s spin-doctoring ebola czar is spending all his time preparing those pre-prepared responses?
Yet there is no word that elective patients dropped in the hospitals that successfully treated Ebola patients inside their facilities without infecting anyone else.
I suspect the Dallas hospital is having issues due to perceived incompetence and not Ebola Cooties.
“Stick potentially sick person in unheated tent” is not “getting better”.
Again, you completely ignore that facilities that treated people in proper isolation rooms. But don’t let the facts interfere with your fantasy.
The hospitals are getting their collective act together. The CDC, I hope, is trying to get a handle on this ebola debacle. Obama’s invisible spin doctor ebola czar must be bidding his time and will get around to convincing the public that the WH and CDC are trying to do the right thing and probably know what they’re doing.
In the meantime, the public seems to have their own idea about how well the ebola issues have been handled so far.
*Americans strongly back quarantine for returning Ebola health workers -
(Reuters) - Nearly 75 percent of Americans surveyed in a Reuters/Ipsos poll believe medics returning to the United States after treating people with Ebola should be quarantined, and 80 percent believe the healthcare workers’ movements should be controlled.
The findings show broad support for the type of controversial new screening rules announced by the governors of New York and New Jersey for people arriving at New York City’s international airports from the three West African countries where the virus has killed nearly 5,000 people.
Under the rules, state health officials are ordering anyone who has had direct contact with Ebola into a mandatory quarantine of up to 21 days, at home in some cases, even if they have no symptoms.
A quarter of poll respondents thought quarantines were unnecessary for healthcare workers, and about one in six respondents thought such workers should neither monitor their health themselves nor be actively monitored by officials.*
I don’t think we should be making public health policy based on the opinions of the fearful and ignorant mob. That’s why we have the Bill of Rights, to protect the individual from the tyranny of the mob.
You can’t blame the fearful and ignorant mob for being fearful and ignorant by their own choice. Obama’s invisible spin doctor ebola czar still refuses to make the public aware of what needs to be done and the CDC has made some very public mistakes concerning ebola. The public will make up their own minds as to how dangerous the ebola threat is and how competent the alleged leadership is. And you don’t want the public making up their own minds?
What does that mean? That he hasn’t gone on a half-thought-out media blitz? The information is out there, especially for the genreal public.
There’s a difference between making up ones mind and reacting in fear. I know which process I’d assume from a “fearful and ignorant mob”, but maybe your experience with mobs is different.
Yes, I do see the problem. There have been many things communicated thru the media and many members of the public are aware of them. The CDC had recently been before a Congressional Committee to explain their failures concerning the handling of bird flu, anthrax, and ebola. The CDC had allowed one of the infected nurses from the Dallas hospital to take a commercial air flight. Hickox is a CDC trainer(?)/speaker(?)/somebody(?) who refused to accept the fact that the public has fears about ebola and those should be addressed before she was allowed to peddle her ass around Maine.
Healthcare workers are made aware that their patient and his or her families concerns and fears are a real problem that must be addressed at every step in a patients care. The WH and CDC have created confusion and should address that issue. Maybe the invisible spin doctor ebola czar could make a public appearance and calm the public’s fears and concerns?
The information that’s out there has confused many members of the public and the WH and CDC owes it to the public to clear up any confusion. The public has a right to ask questions AND a right to receive answers. And I don’t mean having someone on the internet imply that the public is stupid and doesn’t deserve an answer to their legitimate concerns.
Oh my! Australia and Canada have banned visitors from Ebolaland.
*CANADA - The authorities on 31 October suspended the issuance of visas to travellers who have recently visited West African countries affected by the Ebola virus. The action covers those who have travelled to Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone in the past three months.
AUSTRALIA has suspended the issuance of visas to travellers from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. Travellers from these countries who hold permanent visas can enter Australia if they have been quarantined for 21 days prior to arrival, while those who have received non-permanent visas and who have not departed for Australia will have their visas cancelled.*.
As well several other nations -
Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, Belize, Cameroon, Canada, Cape Verde, Chad, Colombia, Equatorial Guinea, Gambia, Guyana, Haiti, Jamaica, Kenya, Mauritius, Namibia, North Korea, Panama, Rwanda, Seychelles, South Africa, South Sudan, St Kitts and Nevis, St Lucia, St Maarten, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname, The Dominican Republic, Trinidad and Tobago.
Ignorant and fearful through no fault of their own? No blame there.
Ignorant and fearful BY CHOICE? Eff yes I’m going to blame them for that. In this day of the internet there’s no reason people can’t educate themselves about this topic.
What mistakes are you referring to? It seems to me your main complaint is that they’re not as hysterical and fearful as you are, and aren’t agreeing with your misguided notions on what should be done.
Not when the public is ignorant and reacting solely to fear and fear-mongers, no, I don’t want ignorant, panicky people making policy.
Oh, you mean that bird flu outbreak resulting 500,000 deaths? Wait - that didn’t happen.
That massive anthrax outbreak that spread to 15 cities and resulted in mass graves? Wait - that didn’t happen.
The Ebola epidemic with cases doubling every week? Oh, wait - that hasn’t happened either.
WHAT “failures” are you talking about? You just run around trying to spread fear. It’s not a good fashion choice for you, makes you look bad.
Errr… what were you expecting them to do? Rugby-tackle the woman as she walked through the terminal?
You do know that of the 160+ people she was in contact with, including people on the airplane with her, NOT ONE OF THEM GOT SICK? In other words, she really was NOT contagious at that point and really didn’t pose any threat.
Why? Why should we kowtow to the fearful and ignorant? Without symptoms she poses no threat to anyone and so far she has adhered to the CDC guidelines regarding contact and monitoring which I find much more reliable that your fears or the fears of other people in the grip of Faux-News sponsored hysteria.
You address fears by education and true facts, not by coddling ignorance and fear. Maybe we should go back to the days when people thought cancer was contagious and malaria was caused by bad air? No thanks, give me modern science and medicine any day of the week.
No, the MEDIA has created confusion and frankly I think it’s past time the talking heads were held responsible for this sort of BS. At this point YOU are so wrapped up in your hysteria that it doesn’t matter who makes a public appearance or what they say, you won’t be budged.
In other words, I’m mainly responding to you for the benefit of people who are reading who might still be on the fence because you are past convincing.
The public has the right to hear the truth - whether it’s what the public wants to hear or not.
The CDC website has clear and easily comprehended information on Ebola and the procedures for monitoring possible contacts, travel recommendations, and when to actually quarantine people. You are free to go to their site and read this information 24/7, no one is stopping you. So why don’t you?
Is it because they’re telling you something different than what you already believe?
If you’re confused it’s because you’re not listening to the people who actually know something about this disease and public health, you’re listening to people who profit from scaring you sufficiently you’ll keep tuning into their programs.
Thursday 16, Oct 2014
*In prepared testimony ahead of a hearing of a House of Representatives oversight committee, Thomas Frieden (the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) pointed to the temporary re-emergence of the disease in Nigeria as a sign of what happens if contact tracing protocols are not fully followed.
“It will take meticulous work and we cannot take short cuts,” he said. “It’s like fighting a forest fire: leave behind one burning ember, one case undetected, and the epidemic could reignite.”
“In response to the case in Nigeria, 10 CDC staff and 40 top CDC-trained Nigerian epidemiologists rapidly deployed, identified, and followed 1,000 contacts for 21 days,” added Frieden. “Even with these resources, one case was missed, which resulted in a new cluster of cases in Port Harcourt, Nigeria. However, due to the meticulous work done in Nigeria, no new cases have been identified, and the outbreak appears to have been extinguished there.”*
Three weeks ago, Frieden said, “It’s like fighting a forest fire: leave behind one burning ember, one case undetected, and the epidemic could reignite.” Forrest fire!?!? Leave behind one burning ember!?!? Reignite!?!? That certainly sounds like the head of the CDC thought this ebola thing was dangerous and easily spread. Should the public believe the head of the CDC then or now? Confusing? Yes it is.
“…and followed 1,000 contacts for 21 days,” added Frieden. “Even with these resources, one case was missed, which resulted in a new cluster of cases in Port Harcourt, Nigeria.” Oops. Could the public reasonably believe that if the pros missed a “burning ember” in Nigeria, resulting in many deaths, that this could never happen in the U.S., Australia, Canada, or Europe? Does the public have a right to up to date and accurate information? Or should the internet simply handwave away the questions and concerns of the obviously confused public? How dare they be ignorant.
Maybe the invisible spin doctor ebola czar could make the effort to clear up any confusion? Or not.
This is nonsense. When people make mistakes there can be bad consequences. The protocols do not have to change one iota if the problem is they weren’t correctly followed, as they weren’t in Dallas and everyone knows what the consequences were.
There was nothing at all unclear about the testimony. I agree that there was some unfortunate hyperbole in the choice of words.
The Dallas hospital wasn’t prepared for ebola. No hospital was prepared to deal with ebola on that day. The Dallas hospital had been prepared for their usual run of emergencies. Hospitals depend on the CDC to provide them with notifications, guidelines, and emergency procedures.
On one hand, the head of the CDC just said that ebola is a forest fire and no embers can be overlooked or ignored. The CDC then failed to notify hospitals that ebola was present in the U.S. and OK’d the flight of a contagious patient. When a CDC employee is quarantined in NJ, and then in Maine, the CDC didn’t try to calm the fears of the public. Hickox certainly did nothing to calm the fears of the public. The invisible spin doctor ebola czar definitely didn’t do anything to calm the fears of the public.
You are allowed to ask your government questions about your health and safety. You should expect your government actually clear up any misunderstanding. The various claims that ignorant people are just ignorant people and will never understand something so simple and the government agencies shouldn’t bother trying to explain, or keep trying to explain, is what’s nonsense.
