The unvaccinated are endangering the vaccinated. Watch fir madatory vaccination in many businesses.
Woops. Somehow that posted again.
It just so happens that I went to the library and printed out mine just yesterday. It’s a more-or-less official-looking certificate with all the relevant information in readable plain-text plus a huge QR code. There’s a web site you can go to for it.
For any vaxed California people who haven’t seen this yet, the site is:
Digital COVID-19 Vaccine Record
Enter some basic information to sign up. It will send you a link, that you can receive either via a text message or an e-mail. Then click on that link to view your certificate.
ETA: You also have to choose a 4-digit PIN code. I don’t know if the person who’s verifying your vax, upon scanning your QR code, also has to enter this PIN code to see if. I suspect not. If so, then he should probably hand his smart-phone to you to enter the code. Anyway, it might be important for you to have your PIN code handy. I haven’t had occasion to try this yet.
Now that Disney, Walmart, the Federal Government, etc are all on the mandatory vaccination train, I’d like to propose a simple rule:
If you refuse to be vaccinated by choice, it is your responsibility to pay for any and all required COVID tests which you may have to take while unvaccinated.
As I’ve said here more than once, I have no problem administering the vaccine to people at gunpoint. I reject entirely this libertarian ide that we’re all completely autonomous beings, who do not have to take into account the effect of our actions on others. That’s nonsense, and completely contrary to any understanding of human nature.
That’s my take on the “invasive” nature of mandatory vaccination. Go ahead, invade away. I’m on board. Hey, my kids have to have the full slate of age-appropriate vaccinations to attend school in my state, and I wholeheartedly approve of that regulation.
That said, denying medical care to people, even if their need for care is a direct result of their own irresponsible behavior, seems to me to be a line we should incredibly hesitant to cross.
I’m not sure it’s an absolute line. Do we declare that an unreformed alcoholic/junkie/whatever is just as eligible for a liver transplant as someone who, whatever their past, has demonstrated that they will not return to the habits that would make that transplant a complete waste?
Maybe not.
But turning people away from care, especially from emergency care, basically because they’re idiots, seems to be a really, really dangerous line to cross.
I know slippery slope arguments are weak, but this issue is practically begging for such arguments.
Once the precedent is established, I guarantee you we’ll be talking about other circumstances in which care can be denied.
Sounds good in theory, but as Gorsnak said, it’s a terrible precedent to basically put healthcare workers in the position of meting out punishment to the public. Not only is it unethical, but if you think that the uneducated masses are guilty of irrational skepticism toward healthcare experts now, just wait until this little triage ends up being the difference between life and death. It would destroy any remaining trust between these people and healthcare workers, who would be viewed not as heroes but as killers.
I’d rather make their life difficult in other ways. Governments should work with local businesses to do something similar to what bars in San Francisco have done, which is to basically collaborate in enforcing a vaccine card requirement. Any and all public agencies or employers should make vaccination a condition of employment or face the possibility of temporary furlough - and a permanent termination if they don’t get vaccinated after, say, a few weeks or a month.
Yes, it’s horrible to withhold medical care from anyone, for any reason at all. But in a triage situation, it must inevitably happen. And then there must be some criterion for deciding whom to withhold it from. The only way to avoid this is to avoid getting into a triage situation.
One method results in people suffering and possibly dying unnecessarily. The other doesn’t. Maybe the suffering is “less invasive”, but “invasive” isn’t the only, or even primary, evil to be avoided.
I believe that the vaccination records are being collected by the department of health - you could put a backup system in place for those without phones - the venue would take your card, type the numbers on the card into a database front end, and get your name - which could be matched with ID (or could show other identifying information like you address for people without ids).
Nothing is going to be foolproof, but perfection shouldn’t be the enemy of the “better than nothing.”
Those cases involve people who are addicted (to cigarettes) or might have a genetic disposition to obesity. Nothing like refusing one or two shots because of misinformation.
But the policy wouldn’t work. These people don’t believe it is going to happen again despite the data. Firing them for not being vaccinated, prohibiting them from attending movies or restaurants, would hurt them before they get sick and might drive a reduction in deaths.
I’m not nearly as opposed to mandatory vaccinations in theory as most conservatives. I think it to be well within the police power of the states in most circumstance.
My issue is with the enforcement. Children are required to go to school. To go to school you have to get vaccinated. Unless you are hiding children in your closet, they will be exposed to the system and have to be vaccinated.
How will that work with adults? Do I have to carry papers, please and produce them on demand to a law enforcement officer? Only when suspected of a crime? Does a business have to verify the paperwork of all customers entering? Will there be conservative Christian doctors selling fake certifications stating that your health is compromised so you don’t need a vaccine? Fake certificates on the internet? I think that this “brave new world” is more frightening that one with Covid.
When California eliminated the religious/moral exemption for children going to school we had this problem - thought I don’t know if the bad doctors were particularly Christian or conservative. Might be liberal and woo also. It is fairly easy to see if one doctor writes a bunch of exemptions, and come down on them.
I would think that conservative Christians would have an issue with lying and fraud.
Here in Taiwan they have universal health insurance and keep a National vaccination record. They are developing an app which will show the vaccination status.
Taiwan got a late start on vaccinations, but is moving forward. At my school, us teachers have to have had at least the first jab two or more weeks before or submit a negative test that week.
It looks like they will increase the requirements as more people get vaccinated. I’m all for that.
You might think that, but history has proven this to be incorrect.
There’s no need to seek out conservative Christian physicians to write dubious vaccine exemptions. At least, a number of docs under investigation or disciplined for exemption hanky-panky don’t promote themselves as swords of the Lord. This guy is a real piece of work.
https://www.modernhealthcare.com/physicians/pediatricians-license-suspended-oregon-over-vaccines
US news network CNN has sacked three employees for going into an office without having been vaccinated against Covid, US media say.
It is one of the first examples of a US firm firing staff for breaching a company vaccination mandate.
Opinion is going mainstream that the unvaxxed should pay their own hospital bills.
Op-ed piece in MarketWatch today:
“Put your money where your mouth is — or get vaccinated”
This could be a reality in the not-too-distant future. If I’m an insurance company, why would I want to pay for some moron who refuses to do a very simple thing that would cut potentially tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars?
The world would be a better place today if this had happened in the not-too-distant past.
And a lot of future employers are going to conclude that these are just hopelessly stupid people who don’t merit a moment of consideration.
In reality, I’m not sure it would have helped much. We’re dealing with people with limited capacity to think of future consequences. More immediate consequences need to be imposed