No, now you’re a martyr.
We all can read. If you cannot write clearly, then you are hoist by your own petard.
You have not yet been rational because I think you are as uneducated on the topic as you seem on argumentation and logic.
But thanks so much for playing our game. You’ll get coupons for your lifetime supply of Turtle Wax and Rice A Roni in the mail.
There are pro-CD ripping sites elsewhere on the net. I use them extensively.
The Chicago Reader are understandably protecting themselves from an industry that wishes to censor professors that crack feeble copy protection codes. The same professors that the industries hired.
There y’all go then. You can talk about that kinds stuff elsewhere. Places, I might add, where you’ll even get a more authoritative answer than you might get here, even if we we we’re to allow this type of discussion. Go to the experts.
And this is all very simple. When you are on someone else’s property, you abide by their wishes if you don’t want to be thrown off. Whether you agree with their wishes, or not. It’s that fucking simple.
Here’s an analogy for you to pick apart. Hunting is legal in most states under certain conditions. And yet, property owners have the right to prevent you from hunting on any property they might own. If you refuse their wishes, and decide you’re going to hunt their land anyway, you are subject to arrest and penalties. Same thing here. Refuse our wishes, pay the consequences.
** call the paramedics! I’ve been cut to the quick!
apparently not since I had to continually post “That’s not what I said”
** sorry, but when you misstate my position, you don’t get to claim victory 'cause the strawman you created fell down.
** good thing the paramedics are here, you’ve wounded me!
hey, no problem. like I said, it’s an issue that I dont’ give a shit about, but seems that some people kept on insisting that they were being accused of criminal behavior, and wanted to play that way, I thought it might be, ya know, fair, if that misperception was corrected.
anyhow. you get to bitch about their rules, complain that the rule won’t protect what you think they want to protect, unecessary etc. But it’s still their rule. Some folks don’t like wearing seatbelts, think that it’s not a safety issue, feel more safe without them etc. But if they’re in my car, they wear them. but do as you wish.
Btw, just because someone says they obtained it legitimately, ya know…
I don’t think the mods are running on the honor system here.
Since nobody is arguing otherwise, rolling out this chestnut over and over doesn’t help.
This is why this issue will come up over and over and never get recolved; neither side is talking about the same thing. The defenders of the rule keep parroting “That’s the rule; you must follow it,” when the issue is not about breaking rules, but about not having rules that don’t make sense. It’s about examining rules and changing them as logic and common sense dictates.
People aren’t arguing that the rules should be broken, they are arguing they should be refined. Every time “these are the rules and you must follow them” is repeated this is just avoiding the issue. It’s a strawman, intentional or not.
We err on the side of caution when it comes to copyright matters for the simple reason that the Chicago Reader is a producer of intellectual property itself.
The resulting message board rules may “not make sense” to some of our board members. They may even say that “logic and common sense” dictate the rules ought to be changed.
But we’re not gonna. Not unless the very laws on copyright infringement themselves change.
So, why fight the same fight over and over again? The rules regarding P2P software, CD ripping, and whatnot, may change someday, but it’s not going to be because of the protests of a few posters.
I really can’t understand why everyone’s bitching so much about this issue. They have to be careful. That’s it.
Get over it, already.
Several of the posters here seem to suffer from the delusion that rules have to make sense. That’s understandable - much of the time they do, and the sort of people who post to this board are those who like logic, rational explanations, and coherence.
But there are many, many occasions on which rules don’t make sense. They may be imposed simply because you have to have a rule and it doesn’t matter which one you choose - e.g., driving on the left or the right. And there are others, like here, where everyone acknowledges that the particular rule may be incoherent, but nevertheless it protects against a perceived harm and it ain’t going away.
So you suck it up and deal, and accept it as a given.
This is why I had no trouble dealing with tax law (I spent about nine months of my life rewriting a client’s pension plans). Once you realize that it doesn’t have to make sense - that your job is just to comply with it - it makes your life a helluva lot easier.
This is the dumbest thing yet I have seen on the SDMB. The OP was not asking about file sharing. He was asking about ripping MP3 and transfering them to CDs.
I own a 128 mb Yepp MP3 player. I have ripped MP3s off my CDs and uploaded them into the Yepp. I have also created playlists and burned files off CDs and created compilations on another CD.
None of this is illegal and has nothing to do with file sharing.
It seems as though a lot of denizens of the SDMB, including some moderators, are still hooked on phonics.
That’s precisely it. It’s tough to understand an ignorant rule on a board devoted to fighting ignorance. Every time a thread describing perfectly legal activities is closed, we see more ignorance.
The reason most of us are here to begin with is to fight ignorance, and it’s a reflex to comment on it when it is displayed. This will never stop. Even when the people in this thread get tired of bitching about, then the next batch of newer members will start. Ignorant practices, especially on a board with this theme, will ALWAYS be bitched about.
The people who happen to be here now might stop, but as long as new members are accepted to the board, I guarantee there will be bitching about this forever.
Well,
Manhattan was uncharacteristically polite.
Yes, the SDMB admin seems paranoid but it is a private message board and it is in their stated rules.
This rule is enforced consistently.
All in all, it’s best to remember that posting to the SDMB is a privilege, not a right.
And some could use a little reading comprehension help. Please scroll up to my first post, read the statute I cite, and then tell me that what you’re doing is, unequivocally, “fair use” (which I believe is the only exception to copyright that might remotely apply here - but I’m not an expert in this area).
In fact, were I an attorney for the RIAA I would argue that the copying is itself illegal, regardless of what you do with it - it was just tolerated in pre-digital days because the copies were poor enough to be self-limiting, so it wasn’t worth fighting over. Now it is.
That an entire industry has sprung up around your activities isn’t evidence that it’s legal, since from what I’ve seen copyright holders have had a very little success in bringing actions against equipment manufacturers.
I’m not arguing that this is right or proper or good, and I think the RIAA are fools for attacking consumers rather than reforming a ludicrously overpriced, corrupt, abusive industry. But that’s neither here nor there. It’s pretty clear to me that they’ve got a colorable claim that what you, I and millions of other folks are doing is illegal. And given that, the SDMB’s policy is completely defensible.
Please scroll up to my first post, and look at what I said about space-shifting and time-shifting. They are considered the core of fair use in the United States (Britain doesn’t have the same tradition, however). Burning a mix of songs to a CD is traditional space-shifting, which has long been permitted. Has the RIAA succeeded against manufacturers of cassette recorders? Nope.
The RIAA is not a public magistrate. Perhaps we shouldn’t act as if the whims of special-interest groups are law.
Just to add my response to the moderators’ chiming in, I can understand that the Reader may not want discussion of copying matters on the board. That doesn’t give the moderators an excuse to be hardasses who act as noble sheriffs shooting down cattle rustlers left and right. Instead of phrasing their posts they way they do, they need to be more polite on that, and perhaps the criticism will lessen.
UnuMondo
My theories:
Some people just like to bitch and moan. Some people are just loud mouthed idiots. Some people like attention- and attacking the mods is a way to get it. Some people are helpless know-it-alls who feel the need to pester us no matter how often they get pitted. And finally, some people just like making lists.
What happened to the OP? Busy getting roasted in another thread?
:rolleyes:
thar he blows (literally), never mind.
Neither I or anyone misstated your position. In every iteration of your feeble explanations, that came out.
The only strawman I have keeps crows away.
And didn’t you say you were done in this thread and that you didn’t give a shit? Continuing to post in the thread does make it clear that you DO give a shit.
Or is that another strawman?
:rolleyes:
little one. you make a claim against me and I responded. And of course, since then, the mods have come in and (essentially) said exactly the same thing the I’ve repeatedly done. “they’re proactive on this subject” “you don’t have to agree with their reasons” and so on. So continued attacks on me personally are your current gig? Shrug.
Patronizing one. I am not the only one to make the claim. And they are more than welcome to. They aren’t attacks on you, oh mighty martyr lass. And of course, you don’t give a shit.
Idiot.
Now… have the last word, you intellectual midget. I’m off to worthwhile threads.
calling me an idiot isn’t a personal attack?
interesting. Do have fun in those other more worthwhile threads, though, really.