Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024)

per cnn update:

Trump attorney Todd Blanche is asking Michael Cohen about his attempts to end his supervised release early.

“After you started supervised release, you have made several efforts to have your supervised release terminated early,” Blanche says.

“Correct,” Cohen says, noting none of them have been successful

Cohen has tried four times to end his supervised release early, he confirms.

Cohen first said three times, but then agreed with Blanche, who corrected him that it’s been four failed attempts.

Blanche asks Cohen if he wanted to be released early because of his cooperation with an ongoing investigation.

“But this whole time, all the meetings, you were never offered a cooperation agreement and you were never a cooperating witness?” Blanche asks.

“That’s correct,” Cohen says.

Trump attorney Todd Blanche asked if Michael Cohen recalled whether he testified in October 2023 that he refused a substantial assistance letter.

“I do,” Cohen said.

“But that’s not true, is it?”

“It’s true,” Cohen said.

Cohen continued, "Yes it’s truthful. The 5K1 concept (to lower the sentence) was given to Guy Petrillo, my lawyer, that was after already I had plead — after the 48 hours that I was given to plea so I turned around and I said I’m not interested so let’s not even talk about it. "

Blanche asked, “Who did you say that to?”

“Guy Petrillo, my lawyer.”

Defense attorney Todd Blanche is asking Michael Cohen about his desire to work at the White House, specifically wanting to be considered for White House chief of staff.

“I would have liked to have been considered for ego purpose,” Cohen says, reiterating his testimony from earlier in the week.

Blanche asks whether he recalled arguments at sentencing about his wanting a role at the White House. Prosecutor Susan Hoffinger objected and attorneys had a brief sidebar.

The defense has been pressing Michael Cohen on whether he really wanted to work in the White House, potentially as chief of staff to Donald Trump.

Trump attorney Todd Blanche has asked Cohen repeatedly whether it’s true that Cohen only wanted to be considered for the role, “for ego purposes,” as he has previously testified. Cohen has stood by that remark.

Blanche is now reviewing texts between Cohen and his daughter, where they discussed whether he would be chief of staff. In the messages, Cohen’s daughter says she read that Reince Priebus — who did eventually become Trump’s first chief of staff — was being considered.

“And you said, ‘He’s pushing like a madman,’” Blanche says, referring to Cohen’s comments in the messages.

When Trump picked Priebus, Blanche asks Cohen whether it’s true Cohen told his daughter he was disappointed.

“That I wasn’t considered, yes sir,” Cohen says, sticking to the distinction he’s made about merely wanting to be listed among the potential picks.

Defense attorney Todd Blanche continues to push Michael Cohen on his true desires to be a part of Trump’s administration.

In texts, Cohen told his daughter “with him now and he wants me to go just not sure the position.”

Cohen acknowledged he told his daughter that Trump was “not happy with the title I wanted.”

Blanche pushed Cohen to admit he wanted the position of special counsel to the president within the Trump administration.

“My daughter may have called it special counsel to the president. The role I had asked President Trump for was the personal attorney to the president,” Cohen says, adding that he had wanted a hybrid role with access to Trump but also outside the government.

As attorney Todd Blanche and Michael Cohen go back and forth over whether Cohen had wanted a White House role, Trump is looking in Cohen’s direction.

rc: the defence is looking for another trigger point for cohen. so far they found one with judge pauley.

Trump attorney Todd Blanche asked Michael Cohen if he was “despondent” when the former president of Goldman Sachs Gary Cohn got a post in the White House but not him.

Cohen said no but Blanche confronted him with texts with his daughter about the situation, noting he was having a hard time just getting tickets to President Donald Trump’s inauguration in 2017.

Cohen confirmed that on the stand.

per cnn update:

The defense continues to paint a picture of a Michael Cohen spurned by the incoming Trump administration, asking more questions about Cohen’s role and his perceived treatment by his longtime client.

“Your daughter said that President Trump and his new people were walking all over you?” Blanche asks.

“Yes, sir,” Cohen says.

“You agreed with that, didn’t you?” Blanche asks.

“At the time,” Cohen says.

“But you were disappointed that after all the work that you had done for President Trump for nine and a half years, nobody — including President Trump — offered you a position in the White House?” Blanche asks.

“That’s not accurate,” Cohen says.

Remember: Cohen has walked a line of acknowledging his desire to be “considered” for a role in the Trump administration, while also insisting he was content with his ultimate standing, while Trump’s attorneys try to highlight any perception that he was dejected over his position in the former president’s orbit.

Trump attorney Todd Blanche is now shifting his questioning to October 2016 and moving money from his home equity line of credit into the LLC to wire the money to Keith Davidson, Stormy Daniels’ attorney.

He’s confronting Michael Cohen about the logistics of how he called Keith Schiller, former director of Oval Office operations and spoke to Trump to “discuss the Stormy Daniels matter and the resolution of it."

Blanche asked Cohen how the call worked. He asked if Schiller put Trump on speaker or talked privately. Cohen said both would occur, and he didn’t recall this specific call.

Blanche is leaning on the podium appearing confident and at ease as he speaks.

cnn colour commentary:

Penis-shaped balloons with photos of District Attorney Alvin Bragg and others are floating over lower Manhattan.

Some of the balloons, which are filled with helium, have a picture of Judge Juan Merchan, who is presiding over the hush money trial against Donald Trump taking place nearby.

Others feature a picture of prosecutors, such as special counsel Jack Smith, who brought charges against Trump in different criminal cases.

per cnn updates:

Trump attorney Todd Blanche is asking about a call on the evening of October 24, 2016.

Cohen has testified that he told Donald Trump in the call that the Stormy Daniels hush money deal was funded.

“We talked about the matter, that it was resolved,” Cohen says.

Blanche asks if Cohen previously discussed this call with prosecutors, to which Cohen says he doesn’t recall.

Blanche asks Cohen if he testified about the call to the grand jury, suggesting that Cohen did not mention it at that time. Cohen says he doesn’t recall one way or the other, so Blanche offers to call up the testimony.

Prosectors object and lawyers are now speaking with the judge.

After an objection from the prosecution and a huddle between the lawyers and judge, Cohen looks at the transcript of his meeting with prosecutors, and eventually says he does have a recollection of talking with them about the call.

fucking weirdos.

rc:

things have taken a turn on the cross. blanche is asking about the call to keith schiller and that it may not be about the stormy situation, but about harassing phone calls.

Won’t somebody please think of the children!!!

I’m confused. Are Judge Merchan, Jack Smith et al, the ones DOING the screwing (with the penis-shaped balloons) or the ones BEING screwed? It seems it should be the former, but I’m a little rusty on my playground insults.

Penis shaped balloons!? Oh no they’ve discovered the secret loophole buried in the Constitution and the Magna Carta. All the charges will have to be dropped and Trump appointed president for life now.

Well you know what they say: better over your head than in your hair.

cnn update:

Defense attorney Todd Blanche is asking Michael Cohen about a number of harassing calls Cohen was receiving around the same time he testified before the grand jury.

“Do you remember that on the 24th at around 7 p.m. at night the person who was harassing you forgot to block their number and you got their number,” Blanche asks.

“No sir,” Cohen said.

“Let me show you,” Blanche says as he begins to cite a text message.

Trump attorney Todd Blanche has pulled up a call log from around the time of some pivotal conversations involving Michael Cohen, Donald Trump and Trump’s former bodyguard Keith Schiller.

Blanche is asking Cohen to confirm that when he called Schiller on one occasion, the intent of the phone call was actually to speak to Trump about the Stormy Daniels deal.

According to Blanche, Cohen texted that the person, “Would have to explain to the Secret Service.” And the person replied, “I’m 14, please don’t do this.”

“Do you recall at 7:48 p.m. texting Keith Schiller about this 14-year-old,” Blanche asks.

“I don’t recall,” Cohen says.

He says Cohen asked who he should speak to, and Schiller, Trump’s former bodyguard, replied at 8:02 p.m., according to Blanche, telling Cohen to call him.

The jurors are now seeing the text exchange between Keith Schiller, Donald Trump’s former bodyguard, and Michael Cohen.

rc: of course! you can only discuss one topic at a time on a phone call. you must end the call and then call back for the next topic.

they seem to be making cohen a joke about the 14 year old.

cnn colour:

blanche is pacing and flailing his arms.

cohen is staying calm.

rc: there was a bit of a back and forth on the fact that cohen was talking about the 14 year old and not stormy daniels. cohen is holding on he did mention stormy.

The court has been dismissed for a lunch break.

Michael Cohen will continue to be cross-examined by the defense when the court returns.

Well, if they’re supporting Trump, we know they’re not condoms.

They are calling them dickheads, I suppose. What a crazy time to be alive.

we finally have the exchange, per cnn update:

Trump attorney Todd Blanche is pressing Michael Cohen over his prior testimony that he had spoken to Donald Trump about resolving the Stormy Daniels hush money payment in an October 2016 phone call.

Blanche has been showing text messages and a call log that he says indicate Cohen was asking Trump’s bodyguard Keith Schiller for help with harassment he was receiving — not calling Schiller in order to speak with Trump about Daniels, as he testified Monday.

Cohen insists that while “part of” the correspondence was regarding the harassment, “I know that Keith was with Mr. Trump at the time and there was more potentially than this.”

Blanche asks skeptically whether Cohen really “had enough time to update Schiller about all the (harassment) problems you were having and also update President Trump about the status of the Stormy Daniels situation, because you had to keep him informed.”

“I always ran everything by the boss immediately, and in this case it would have been saying, ‘Everything been taken care of — it’s been resolved,’” Cohen says, maintaining his composure.

Cohen says he testified about the nature of the call, “Based upon what was going on, and based upon the text messages and so on — based on the other text messages about the Stormy Daniels matter.”

Blanche challenged Cohen to confirm that his trial testimony was based on the material prosecutors showed him in preparation for questioning, not his own recollection.

“Yes, that refreshed my recollection,” Cohen said calmly.

Some context: The defense was expected to challenge Cohen’s recollection of this phone call in a substantial effort to undercut his credibility.

Blanche grew animated during this portion of questioning, flailing his arms and speaking in a high-pitched tone.

rc: most of the commentators on cnn and msnbc, consider this call very bad for the prosecution. that blanche had his “perry mason, or john grisham” moment with this line of testimony.

Ok that’s a good catch by the defense (and a black eye to the prosecution for not noticing the discrepancy)

Aside from the fact that the answer is almost certainly yes, it’s on the taxpayer’s dime, but more than that, don’t these people have jobs? Like, actual Congressional work to do, that they’re being paid for?

This whole shitshow is so depressing it takes a toll on me to try to follow it. Does no one have any ethics or sense of decency any more?

I can’t imagine the prosecution didn’t consider this. Hell, even I speculated about something similar upthread:

Yeah but there’s a difference between a general “maybe they didn’t talk about that” and a specific piece of evidence that strongly suggests a specific call that Cohen said under oath happened, didn’t happen.

And the evidence was there for both teams to find, it’s embarrassing for the prosecution not to work this out.

Hopefully not a deal breaker but not good

I’ve been following this thread, but I’m confused (you don’t say?): what is and what is the significance of the “trigger point” being talked about?

The House Oversight committee has pushed back proceedings to consider a charge of contempt of Congress for Merrick Garland until 8pm tonight to allow members to get back to DC, so it certainly is affecting their day jobs (I hesitate to say “real” jobs as they may consider the trip part of their actual duties).

Whether that is a good or bad thing depends, of course, on your political stance.

In the Carroll civil case, Cohen lost it on the stand. Blanche appears to be trying to get a repeat of that but hasn’t yet gotten to his ‘trigger point’. Given that the jury has already heard Cohen can be a sleaze and a jerk, I’m not sure how much it would help the actual case. But I suspect Trump wants it at least to have something like that appear on the news.

So it’s is a bit of a “Hollywood trial” aha! moment. The defense worked out the same night Cohen claim to have called Trump (via Shiller his body guard) he was prank called by a random 14 year old kid. Cohen discused this prank call with Shiller before talking to Trump (the defense alleges I can’t see where this was established). But the call records show that the call was only 1:39 long. So it’s fairly implausible he could have talked about the prank call AND discussed the payment scheme with Trump in that time.

Edit: this is what I was talking about, it may not have been the trigger point being referred to :slight_smile:

So I am hopeful this, and the sheer amount of other crap Blanche has talked about on cross, will detract from the very real good defense points he’s made today.