Manifest Destiny is controversial

I am honestly appalled that someone would teach that Manifest Destiny was just the pioneering spirit of Lewis and Clark, embodied in all the great pioneers of the old west.

When I was taught manifest destiny as a young grade schooler it was made abundantly obvious that it was a racist, superstitious bunch of hogwash that directly resulted in (or at least attempted to justify) the deaths and relocation of many Indian Americans, as well as for some wars and expansionist aggression.

Did anyone else note that the designer of this shirt added some fuel to the fire witha particularly egregious tweet?

Yes, I saw that, and clearly indicated that I didn’t think it was fabricated. Thank you for fixing it.

I probably learned nothing of that, because grade school and jr. high whitewashed the hell out of American history. Which is why a schoolchild saying this would get a pass from me.

(Similarly, if a schoolchild said that the Founding Fathers were working tirelessly to eradicated slavery, they would get a pass. When Michele Bachmann said it? Not so much.)

Oh, by the way, seems like there is already at-shirt with “The Final Solution” on it.

I am so sad. I guess Manifest Destiny ain’t so bad after all!

Sorry about that. I screwed up the coding. Thanks for the fix.

Isn’t this the same company that had a shirt that read “Two Wongs Can Make It White” in a reference to the racist Chinese Laundry stereotype?

Do we really think they want to avoid controversy?

This is all free advertising. I expect them to have a coon joke on their next one.

That was Abercrombie.

It’s not just Mexicans and other Latinos who may have problems with the phrase. American expansion also had eyes northward and westward into British territory, as the War of 1812 illustrates. We learnt about Manifest Destiny in Canadian history, and it was not portrayed as benign.

I recall seeing a Canadian high school level history book once. The chapters alternated between American and Canadian history, and the Canadian chapters focused mainly how they avoided having the Americans take over some chunk of their territory during that period.:slight_smile:

I kinda want this shirt. Mostly because I’m a nerdy History major and hang around with other nerdy History major friends.

We live in a world where T-shirts of a totalitarian killer like Che Guevara are uncontroversial. Societal outrage can be unpredictable.

There are statues of Christopher Columbus, who instituted European slaving in the Americas and initiated the decimation of the Indians out of greed, all over the place too. Go figure.:wink:

So…are you saying that it would have been better if the United States had halted its expansion east of the Rockies?

I’m not defending it – I was taken very much by surprise thatr this was such a Live issue that it caused an instant uproar.

The quotes are buried in discussions from a long time ago. Nothing in the article suggested that this was a Live Issue today . yes, I can honestly see someobne reading that and still not getting the idea that they’d get in trouble with this shirt.
If you made a T-shirt with Qu’ils mangent de la brioche on it, most people (in the US, at least) wouldn’t know what you were saying. Maybe a third would have at least a rough idea, but I doubt that anyone would protest, even though it was a profoundly insensitive remark that showed the callousness of the entire ruling class and fomented a revolution. If you Googled it, you’d csee it was a hateful thing. But it isn’t a Live Issue.

How’s “Fuck Loach up the ass with a razor-sharp pair of shearing scissors” work for you?

This isn’t a thread to arrange meetups.

A good example as well, but Columbus Day parades and the like do get protested. I have to wonder whether a Columbus themed T-shirt or other marketing effort today would indeed meet the same protests as the MD shirt.

The quote is fictional. You’re correct that it probably wouldn’t be an issue anyway because the frame of reference would be very different.

You weren’t just surprised, you kinda sneered that people could be offended, saying they were overly sensitive. Honest surprise isn’t something I would take issue with. Acting like because you didn’t know about it, other people are being too sensitive is something I DO take issue with.