March to Super Bowl XXXX!! (Predictions and Trash Talk Galore!)

Yeah, he did probably regress. It would be good not to mention his stellar YPA numbers, considering that he has yet to crack 8.0. Ben put up 8.9 consistently through his entire short career so far. Then again, how fair is it to hate on Jake at this point? As far as I can tell, he led his team to the conference championship, and lost because he didn’t have anyone who could run the ball.

I’d like to see Jake have two legitimate threats again, but looking at his YPA, his lowest was in 2003 when he did have two such threats. So instead of regressing, I could make a case that he was consistently good but never great. The total yards argument would paint his best year to be 2004, the only year he didn’t make the playoffs. That makes sense to me, and further reinforces for me that total yards is not a meaningful gauge.

Of course, Jake’s stats of the past two years is another perfect example for our debate. Which year did he play better? You’d say 2004, and I’d say 2005, and we’ll never convince each other. (The passer rating is no help, either.)

2004: in 16 games, 310 of 533 (58.2) for 3886 (7.3) yards, 29 TDs, 15 ints (87.34 rating)
2005: in 16 games, 262 of 435 (60.2) for 3421 (7.9) yards, 24 TDs, 16 ints (88.11 rating)

Interestingly, the 465 extra yards (29 per game) in 2004 resulted in fewer points; 22 PPG versus 24 PPG in 2005. It’s quite possible that the point differential between Roethlisberger and Plummer was merely a statistical anomaly. In any case, it is the same amount of evidence against “yards translates into points” as we have for it in this thread.

There is no way I would agree the 275 yard guy played better, as the 150 yard guy played just as well in fewer attempts. That’s the only difference. They were equally perfect. The 150 yards guy could have played more, but he could not have played better.

Anyway, I get where you’re coming from, and you clearly understand where I’m coming from. We just happen to disagree. I look forward to continuing the debate next season if the situation should arise again.

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Good example and it’s possible that either comparison was an anomoly, I’m not planning on digging up the stats to get a good sample size.

I simply find this conclusion baffling and it distills the fact that we simply have fundamentally different mindsets. Clearly we just don’t operate on the same set of ideals when it comes to this stuff. That works for me.

An appropriate user name if ever there was one. Please see post # 253. :wink:

OK, it’s time to ressurect this thread. I haven’t compiled my matchups and predictions yet, expect it later tonite, but I do have a little question to toss at you cats.

Is the 2-week break between the Conference Championships and the Super Bowl a good thing?

Pros:
[ul]
[li]Extra week of media coverage[/li][li]Players can get as healthy as possibe[/li][li]More time to handle Super Bowl distractions (tickets, families, travel stuff)[/li][li]Extra time for coaches to scheme[/li][li]Easier for fans to make travel arrangements [/li][li]Avoids fan burnout[/li][/ul]

Cons:
[ul]
[li]Extra week of media coverage[/li][li]Loss of team momentum[/li][li]Loss of fan interest[/li][li]Players get rusty[/li][li]Suffocation by analysis[/li][li]This thread falls off the first page[/li][/ul]

So what do you guys think? I think the biggest thing is that the game be a good one. Everything else is irrelevant. Now, what makes the game a good one? Healthy players and well planned complete strategies probably make the team play better, but it doesn’t necessarily make the game closer or more excting. I think having an extra week makes it more likely that the better team wins the game, limiting chances for distractions, nagging injuries or incomplete game plans to hamstring a team. All things being equal a shorter break might level the playing field causing the game to be a close one, giving underdogs a better chance. In any case there’s certainly plenty of examples of it working both ways. So I suppose this begs the question: Does the extra week effect the quality of the game either way? I think there’s an equal chance of a blowout with a 1 week or a 2 week gap. I however think that teams being as best prepared as possible is important.

From a fans persepctive I don’t mind the week off. I get to save a few bucks in the off week between parties. I have no trouble staying excited about the game. I love extra media hype and being a guy who’ll watch all 16 hours of pregame on the big day, it’d be hypocritical to bitch about the extra week’s media orgy. If my team ever makes it to the game, the extra time to book rooms and by tickets would be huge.

I guess I’m in favor for the 2 week gap, but I know that I seem to be the minority on this one. Thoughts?

NFL players are creatures of habit, and having a bye week throws off their routine. I think it detracts from the game, but I don’t know which Superbowls had a bye week beforehand, so it’s just a WAG.

You’ve timed the question perfectly, though, in that this is the one week out of the entire year where I prefer there to be a bye. Otherwise, the season would already be in the books and we’d be subjected to the horror that is the pro bowl on Sunday.

I’ll take the Superbowl over the pro bowl any day of the week.

I agree about the habit thing, but when you toss in things like Media Day, arriving in town on Monday instead of Saturday, and hooking up family members with tickets etc. the rhythm is blown to shit when there’s no off week too. At least this way they can compartmentalize a bit better. IMHO anyways.

OK, it’s time to get down to brass tacks. Super Bowl Prediction time. One nugget of info I feel obligated to share, it looks like I’m going to the Super Bowl. Driving to Detroit on Friday and spending the weekend there, and we’ve got a hook up for tickets at face value. The tickets aren’t in hand yet, but we’re definitely gonnabe in town doing it up. Now it I actually had some money it’d be a really great time. Enough about me, lets look at the teams:

**Super Bowl XL **
Ford Field, Detroit, MI
Sunday, February 5th 6:00 PM ET on ABC

Seattle Seahawks at Pittsburgh Steelers (Steelers by 4, O/U 47)
I’m surprised there’s been as little movement on the betting line as there has. I thought for sure the rabid Steeler fans would push this line into the 7-point territory by now. I really like this match-up, and I think it’s going to be a well watched game. More so than some of the cynics are predicting. There’s plenty of talent on the field, both teams have a handful of high profile guys who carry themselves well. Aside from Joey Porter there’s not really a single guy with a negative image. Geographically the game is diverse enough to draw fans from both coasts and the history of the Steelers will be polarizing enough to have people rooting for one side or another. Lets look at the match-ups.

QB – Two top notch players here. Neither can be accused of being carried by his running game or defense. Both have had unbelievable postseasons and both have plenty of weapons. The popular opinion places Big Ben at the head of the class, but I’m not ready to dismiss Hasselbeck so quickly. Statistically they are both very productive. Big Ben is more mobile and presents a bit tougher match-up for the defense with his size and speed. Hasselbeck has a slightly deeper crop of WRs and a more balanced system around him. There’s a larger burden on Roethlisberger to carry his team offensively and Seattle has some talented guys in pass coverage. All in all I give Ben the edge due to his size relative to the Seattle pass rush. I just think he’ll create second chances. I expect both passing attacks to be productive though.

RB – This one tilts heavily in the Seahawks favor. I don’t care what you say about Alexander, him with the help of that massive OL and Mack Strong he’s pretty damn dominant. One area of concern is that his numbers have dropped sizably on the road this season, but Ford Field uses the same turf and I think that eases that worry. It should be a fast track in there. The Bettis story is all warm and fuzzy, but the guy just isn’t that big a factor in the game anymore. That 30 YPG number just doesn’t stop traffic, short yardage back or not. If the Steelers try and write the fairytale, giving him extra touches when the game is in doubt it’ll cost them. Parker is the guy that needs to be on the field for all the snaps. In the postseason he’s only averaging 45 yards and 2.8 per carry after 3 games, that’s just not going to get it done in the Super Bowl.

WR – Randle El and Ward are terrific and do a great job of getting yards after the catch and finding open spaces when Ben needs help. Heath Miller looks like a top notch, long term TE in Pittsburgh. The Seahawks go 4 deep at the WR position and have an excellent inside-outside threat in Jackson and Jurevicius. Engram and TE Stevens open up the deep middle of the field and put serious pressure on the Steelers secondary. I think they have the speed and variety of formations to really exploit the DB shortcomings of the Steelers, where Denver did not. I think both TEs will put up huge numbers. Still, I like the depth of Seattle’s squad when it comes right down to it.

DEF – The Steelers have everything going for them here. The 3-4 scheme has been effective in giving the other playoff QBs fits. The blitzes have been somewhat restrained by Pittsburgh standards and I’m inclined to expect more of the same this week unless they are able to totally eliminate the running game of Alexander. The difference will be the Pittsburgh secondary. As good as the Pittsburgh front 7 are, they are facing the best OL in football, so I think Hasselbeck will have chances to throw. I do think they’ll be successful in containing the Seattle rush. Alexander is at his best finding seams and getting to the outside, but the group of Porter, Haggins, Foote and Farrior have too much speed playing off the line to allow big holes. On the other side of the field, the Seahawks have been a little better than their stats indicate. Having lead so many games by large margins they’ve played a softer defense, and judging by points allowed they look much more formidable. Tatupu and Trufant will have to have superior games to tilt this game in their favor. I don’t suspect that their front 7 will have nearly the success creating sacks and pressure that they did in the regular season. Roethlisberger is not Alex Smith or Kurt Warner. If they hope to contain that offense they’ll have to stop the big play and shut down the run. All in all, Pittsburgh gets the nod here.

Coach – Hmm, tough call. Walrus or Pornstache? Really, this is difficult to gauge. Reports have been questioning some of Cowher’s choices in the week leading up to the game. Accusing him of getting away from the fundamentals that got his team where it is. We’ll have to see if there’s anything curious about his gameplan come kickoff. The 3-4 scheme is traditionally the ideal counter to the West Coast offense. Both squads have first rate defensive coordinators , both former head coaches in Lebeau and Rhodes. I have no doubt that there’ll be some trickery on both sides to exploit any possible tendencies. I’ll call this match-up a push. I simply don’t have any solid basis for doubt either one of these guys. Both have had tons of success and both have had some let downs.

Intangibles – Lets see. The location has to favor the Steelers. The widespread fan support and proximity to Pittsburgh is going to have the crowd solidly in the Steelers favor. The turf, as mentioned before, is identical to that which exists in Seattle and their team is used to cutting on it. As much as Porter tries to deny it, his team is a heavy favorite and the Seahawks can legitimately rally around the underdog label….for what little that’s worth. My perception has the Steelers being the ones getting caught up in the hype and possibly distracted from the task at hand. Seattle has been mostly quiet and focused, at least as that’s the impression I get from watching TV. On the whole I feel like all the Bettis headlines are a net negative for the Steelers. The off week and the quasi-neutral site really buffer those intangibles, but I think they favor the Seahawks ever so little.

Summary – All the Steelers fans I’ve talked to, including the many here on this MB, seem really confident in this match-up. Most confidently picking a blowout. I think this borders on insanity. Both teams certainly can win in a blowout, but just about every measure has this game being a close one. Seattle has too many weapons, has won too many games, and played well enough against the Panthers to objectively think they are not a threat. If that confidence is reflected in the players they could be in trouble. If I were a Steelers fan I’d be especially concerned that Joey Porter wasn’t aware that Jerramy Stevens was the opponents starting TE, especially considering he’s supposed to be covering him. This game is going to be decided but the secondaries. Neither squad will be able to run the ball at will and the quality of the respective QB/WR/TE combos will be apparent. If either group is able to eliminate the deep ball and get off the field on 3rd down consistently that team’s going to win the game. I think the Seahawks have a slightly better chance of breaking through on the ground and I’m more confident in their DBs. If the Steeler LBs give Hasselbeck fits all bets are off, but I leaning ever so slightly in the Seahawks favor.

The Pick: Seahwaks

Fire away!

BWAHAHAHA!! Talk about no respect for the team way out in the boondocks. hehheh.

The reason his numbers are so low is because he keeps fucking fumbling every goddamn time he touches the ball! (The strong wording is my exasperation with him, not you.)

He of the goofy spelling is a nonfactor; he’s never lived up to his draft position, nor do I think he ever will.

Honestly I think the average NFL fan cares as much about Seattle as the average NHL fan cares about a European elite league team…not a whit. They have no history or tradition of winning, and I thought I heard they were 700 miles from the closest other NFL city. In other words, perennial also-rans. Though I admit, the 2005 version doesn’t suck. I still can’t see Holmgren delivering the most impressive coaching resume in the history of the NFL by leading two different teams to Superbowl victories.

You forgot about trickery, by the way. Here’s the way I see it:

Seattle starts off flat, but at least end their drives in kicks. (Punts and field goals.)
The Steelers employ a 2:1 pass:run ratio early, including at least one huge trick play. (I’m thinking Randle El reverse option pass deep.)

Once the Steelers get up by double digits, Cowher goes into his patented 1:5 pass:run ratio for remainder of game, at least while still up by at least 7.

The only problem I foresee is the hands of Willie Parker. Assuming he can hold onto the ball, the Bus enters the game at the beginning of the fourth and just owns the Seahawks. (Think overtime against the Jets last year.)

Steelers win and cover, but it ain’t pretty, and it ain’t no blowout.

Have fun in Detroit, dude! (You’re gonna miss all the commercials…)

Crap, I forgot to add that I don’t like anything I’ve been hearing from the Seattle camp this week. When your QB is talking about how bad practice was, that’s never a good sign.

Rooting for Pitt - East Coast (or close enough), AFC, actually has a football heritage, big fan of Ward and Polamalu, like the way Cowher coaches.

Don’t think Pitt should be favored, certainly not by more than a point or two. Certainly don’t buy Seattle as an underdog. Would be shocked by this “Pitt blowout” concept.

I think Pitt probably pulls it out, though. I think the game will turn on a couple of big plays (turnovers, big gains, whatever), and I think Pitt is more likely to get those big plays.

Hoping for a good game just like everyone else who isn’t a fan of one of the two teams, though :slight_smile:

You’re from Baltimore?? I don’t care how good the Steelers are playing… in Baltimore, the Steelers=BAD. :wink:
I’d love to see the Seahawks win, but who knows. Both teams are playing well and could win this.

If I had to put money on the game, I’d go Seahawks because they’re getting points.

Ok, time to make my Most Important Post of the Year[sup]TM[/sup].

Ya see (as a couple of Dopers are very much aware), I run a little football pool. It’s rather unique, in that it runs throughout the season and the playoffs, culminating in the Super Bowl. When we get to this point, there are only two players left, both looking to win the 1-On-1 Pool Super Bowl.

And this year, holy fricking crap, my Rabid Ferrets are going to the big dance. Winner gets $700, loser consoles himself with $200.

Therein lies the rub…when you’re the guy running the pool, measures must be taken to avoid the appearance of impropriety. To avoid any problems, I notified my esteemed opponent this week, Schwantoes, not to send in his picks until he hears from me. Once I have his picks in hand, I can then send him the link to this thread. No muss, no fuss.

So, in accordance with…

… here is the official Super Bowl pick for the AFC Champion Rabid Ferrets:
Steelers, 51 total points, 742 total yards

Am I confident? Hardly. I agree with Omniscient that the Seahawks are being highly underrated. I think they have a terrific chance, but I just can’t bring myself to pull the trigger on them. I’m just praying that my opponent picks the Steelers as well, and the whole thing comes down to total score. Hopefully he’ll go with somewhere around 34 points.

Ok…12:05 EST, 2/2/2006 – picks are locked in and official! fingers crossed

Wait a minute. You think Holmgren will have the most impressive coaching resume in NFL history if he wins a Super Bowl with a second franchise? Do you think Sparky Anderson has the most impressive resume as a baseball manager because he won the World Series with 2 different teams? :rolleyes: (Sparky won 3 World Series in all.)

Put another way, do you think Holmgren’s resume will be more impressive than that of Paul Brown (6 champions and 10 championship game appearances in 10 years), Vince Lombardi (5 champions in 7 years), Chuck Noll (4 champions in 6 years), Tom Landry, Don Shula, Bill Walsh or Joe Gibbs? I sure don’t think so.

Don’t get me wrong, Holmgren’s a high quality coach certainly. But he was the first coach to lose a Super Bowl to a John Elway led team (Mr. Ed was 0-3 in the big one before that) so he’s not perfect by any means.

Hah, true. Not from Baltimore so much as going to college here; lifelong Patriots fan from northeastern CT. Still, in almost four years here I’ve picked up something of an affinity for the place… just not enough Steeler Hatred, apparently :wink:

Yeah, if the game goes like this I agree with you. But the Steelers issues at RB concern me quite a bit. Turnovers are HUGE in the Super Bowl and Bettis just hasn’t been able to take over games at will this season. On the whole I think both offenses have an advantage over the defenses, and in a higher scoring game I like the Seahawks.

Polamalu injures ankle in practice, listed as probable

According to NFL standards, “probable” means a 75% chance or better that he will play. Still, this is troubling news. If Polamalu is not able to play his usual game on Sunday, the Steelers suffer a big hit on defense.

I’ve been muddling over the question put forth about the extra week between the Championship round and the Superbowl, and I realized that I’d never really given it any thought before. I’ve just kind of always accepted it as the-way-things-work-so-there-must-be-good-reason.

Now that I’m thinking about it though, I don’t like it. Not one bit.

There are some pros, but they’re all outweighed, in my mind, by the tremendous con that is 76 gigajillion sports reporters looking; waiting; hoping; praying; pleading; digging for a story. Any story.

I don’t typically follow news of any kind with any regular frequency, though I do surf some sports sites during football and hockey season just to stay mostly on top of things. Normally I avoid these sites during the two weeks before the Superbowl (especially on Media Tuesday), but because of this question I went to one of the sites and was appalled at what passes for news. It’s like high school gossip, but even worse, the reporters get in there with crowbars to open the lips of these guys.

Besides the fact that ESPN is owned by Disney, the reason I don’t watch Sportscenter is because when they aren’t using their 50+ minutes to report on the 20+ minutes of clips and actual news, they’re reporting on who said what about who and why. Even if I followed basketball, I’m sure I’d care just as little about what Kobe and Shaq think of each other.

Seems like the extra week before the big game (and an entirely unnecessary day dedicated to addressing the media) just promotes this childish “reporting”.

I say make 'em play the week after the Championship game, but let 'em play again the next week(s). Make it a best of 3.

I think I said this already somewhere upthread, but I’m picking the Steelers to win and cover.