Margaret Cho is Spectacularly Unfunny (and not for the reasons you'd think I'd have)!

Maybe it was a bad idea for me to go see Margaret Cho this past Saturday in Boston. I’m as straight and white and Catholic as they come, and I’ve been told by people who follow her closer than I do that she’s gotten, shall we say, more “polarized” since the last time I saw her about ten years ago. But I figured, “Hey, I’m reasonably open-minded, I can take a bit of flak, and **the Miss ** wants to go, so why not?”

So off we went. Yes, I was in the distinct minority, owing to my straightness if not my whiteness, maleness, or Catholicism. But so what? Wasn’t the first time, won’t be the last, no beer allowed in your seat, keep your feet off the seatbacks in front of you, here we go.

I certainly wasn’t surprised when she came out with ten minutes of “New Pope Bad.” For her audience, His Holiness is a pretty good target for a lot of reasons. And his vestments certainly do look like a dress, and they’re very ornate, and he does hang around with a lot of men, and he does own a lot of antiques (the Chruch does, but for the purposes of the routine, sure, he does). I was smiling. Pope wears a dress. Pope is gayer than us gays. A bit old, but when done right, can be funny. That night, it was pretty funny.

Jiltin’ Jenny? Comedy gold. Hilarious. There’s no way this crazy woman couldn’t be funny. Very well done. Miss Cho is going, firing on all cylinders, doing comedy and doing it well.
Until she ran out of comedy and dove right into outright falsehood and hypocrisy.

News flash, Margaret:* Jim McGreevy was not forced to resign as governor of New Jersey because he was gay.* He resigned in order to avoid an ethics probe that centered around lots of ugly things including mismanagement of money, political cronyism, and deception. He hid behind the gayness in order to keep his boyfriend from dropping the bombshell and to give him a reason to cry persecution while he ran for the hills.

This just in, Margaret: Martha Stewart was not sent to jail because she was a strong woman. Martha Stewart was jailed because she made illegal gains from insider information.

And, ummm… Margaret? If you’re going to say that it’s evil to stereotype “your people,” then it’s probably bad form to stereotype your people in the same sentence. “It’s wrong to stereotype gay people, and until they stop, we should just have all the wedding planners go on strike,” is slightly funny, but exactly counter to the point you’re trying to make.
And wouldn’t you know, the audience ate all this up, shouting and hollering in approval, cheering wildly. And hey, I’m all for denigrating the opposition (especially if the opposition is being oppressive), but this person on stage is either willfully ignorant or flat-out lying, and, if you’re pushing an agenda or a set of ideas, a platform of untruths is a bad way to start.
The problem with Margaret Cho’s “comedy” is that she doesn’t have to try any more. She’s found her niche and she’s playing to it. The problem is that her niche isn’t as concerned with being knowlegeable as it is with being reactionary. They want to be angry at their perceived oppressors, and they want to be “inside,” and put everyone else “outside,” so that they will feel power in solidarity.

All of which is nice, but to build that feeling based on things that are just not true is an exercise in futility.
Better luck next time, Margaret. Not that you need it; your income stream is pretty much set. But it won’t take long before you realize that nobody’s taking you seriously not because they’re trying to suppress your message, but because you’re lying, and more importantly, you aren’t funny.

The only funny thing I ever heard Margaret Cho say was, “The first time I got fisted I felt like Kermit the Frog.”

who said that many a truth is said in jest? (Shakespeare, IMS)

and there is also the premise that while comedy makes us laugh, it also serves to make us think and also to make us uncomfortable with our presuppositions and positions.

I’m not saying Cho is right or wrong–but I think she was successful at the above.

She is not alone in thinking that MS was “punished” for being a strong woman–that is a commonly held belief.

I cannot speak to the New Jersey guy–living near Chicago, as soon as he said he was resigning, we lost all interest in him. If your not connected to power here, you’re not of interest… :cool:

eleanorigby, I agree that comedy is supposed to make us rethink our suppositions.
But when the comedy is based on blatant untruths, it only serves to reinforce those suppositions.
If someone is trying to invalidate my position based on the testimony of little green men from Mars, I’m more likely to walk away from that conversation convinced that I am, in fact, correct.
And re: Martha Stewart- just because a lot of people think it, that doesn’t make it true.

Being a straight white boy on the other side of the planet, I’d never heard of Margarey Cho until I saw mention on these very boards.

I listened. I yawned. I switched off.
She is B.O.R.I.N.G. If you come from a minority and use that in your humour, then you’d better be genuinely funny because otherwise you won’t cut it. Cho has two minority backgrounds from which to draw humour and I still found her dull.
And if I need to somehow prove myself, my closest friend in the entire world is an Asian lesbian. Now she’s a genuinely funny person. Margaret Cho isn’t. Sorry.

Oxymorons are an old, old comedic device. “The food is awful. And such small portions!”

I guess one is being asian, but what’s the other? Being a female comedian?

It’s a commonly held belief amongst Muslims that 9-11 was masterminded by Jews.

It’s a commonly held belief in the black community in America that O.J. didn’t kill his wife and Mr. Goldman.

Just because something is a commonly held belief doesn’t mean that it’s true, and it’s wrong to pander to a minority that’s just trying to feed it’s persecution complex.

I figured (s)he meant gay.

I’m pretty sure she talks about her boyfriend in her act, so she’s not gay. Could be bi I guess.

No, she was jailed because she didn’t cooperate with a federal investigation of something they decided not to press charges on - probably because it wasn’t illegal. She was put in jail on a trumped-up charge - probably not because she was a strong woman, but to appease the people who are starting to get pissed that corporate crime never gets punished.

Uh, that’s the joke, son.

Ok, I agree about Jim McGreevy. But the other two points? Uh-uh, you’re off the mark. And incidentally, I’d really be appreciative if straight people would let us queers decide what constitutes offensive stereotyping. We’ll confer the corresponding privilege on you in exchange.

Lying to federal investigators is still a crime. So while I was incorrect about the specifics of why she was jailed, I was correct when I stated that it wasn’t because she’s a “strong woman.”

Yeah, I get that it’s the joke. But being shrill and playing the persecuted card doesn’t make for an effective setup, that’s all I’m saying. I get that she was making a joke. I’m just saying that it wasn’t funny. It’s not that she’s got the theory wrong, it’s that her application of that theory sucked.

And THIS is exactly the point I was trying to make. I’ve got nothing against the SUBJECT of Margaret Cho’s routines. “They’re different from us and that’s funny” is the perfect mine for comedy. I have no problem with it. I’m Irish Catholic and I think Colin Quinn and Denis Leary (who are Irish Catholic) are hilarious, and I don’t get offended when David Allen Grier (who is African-American, religion unknown to me) goes to the same well.

But the problem with being gay as opposed to being Irish Catholic, especially in this case, is that if someone says, “Colin Quinn’s ‘Back to Brooklyn’ was spectacularly unfunny,” they’ll hear a lot of “Well, you just don’t get that humor.”

However, when I say “Margaret Cho is spectacularly unfunny,” I get a lot of “Why do you hate gay people, bigot?”

Comedians always go downhill fast when they start talking about politics and I guess Margaret Cho is yet another example about that. Bitching about politics and trying to make it funny at the same time requires a different type of talent-if you’re coming at it from a particular ideological position and you are so set in that position only-what sounds funny to you will likely only sound funny to those that share that particular vision. It’s like when the ultra-liberals and the ultra-conservatives around school/tv/newspapers try taking “funny” snipes at one another-it just sounds shrill. The only truly funny comments I’ve ever seen made are by people who really don’t care at all/centrists/able to see everyone’s absurdity despite leaning one way or the other. Jon Stewart has it down pat, I can’t think of many more other than one of my classmates who is a pot-smoking minority that takes shots at everyone’s favourite sacred cows (not quite as well known as the former except to our school, though).

However, I have to say that when Margaret Cho stuck to jokes about being chubby, in Hollywood and making fun of her boyfriends she was pretty damn funny. Also, I can mimic my ethnic parents perfectly and josh about our ethnic community but I’m not making stereotyped jokes as much as I am poking fun at certain attitudes/aspects of the culture. It’s a tricky line to keep and if that’s your only material as a standup comic you’re going to run out of it pretty soon-MC used to be really funny with that shit, I guess she ran out of material.

Paging Margret Cho… paging Margaret Cho…
This is to inform you that your 15 minutes expired sometime in the last century.
You had your 5 minute rise, your 5 minute sitcom, and your 5 minutes of weight loss/gain attention.
Please kindly remove yourself from the premises now.
Thank you.

If you’re pretending it was a simple criminal matter, as you stated in your OP, that’s false. It’s laughable, in fact. It was a heavily political move, and while I suspect that her sex was at most a very minor motivation, you’re either being disingenuous or naïve when you suggest that it was a simple matter of someone getting caught for a crime and going to jail for it.

If you think the joke reflected some sense of being persecuted, then you didn’t get it. It was just a joke based upon the juxtaposition of two unlike things: “Margaret Cho is opposed to stereotyping - but wait! She just used a stereotype! How absurd! It is to laugh!” It’s not that complex. If you didn’t like the joke, that’s fine. It just doesn’t really seem to warrant a pit thread. Is it the first time you ever haven’t liked a joke by a comedian? If you think it’s a bigger issue than that, it’s incumbent upon you to explain why.

Excuse me? Who accused you of hating gay people? Why the hell are you being so defensive here? In fact, I’m starting to be offended myself - the clear implication of the above is that I’ve been throwing around accusations of bigotry when - if you read what I actually wrote - I’ve done no such thing.

Jesus fucking Christ. Seriously, what is your problem here? No one has attacked you at all, but you are so goddamn determined to play the victim here that you’re willing to find insults in anything I say. If that’s what you want, here you go: you are yet another straight, white man who, from a comfortable position in the majority, wishes to congratulate himself over and over on his status as a victim and how the PC police and Kwaanzaa are combining to ruin his life. Broad brush? Maybe so. But now you can get the warm glow of happiness you clearly get from being a victim.

In reality, no one here gives a crap whether you like Margaret Cho or not. I’ve never seen her routine at all, so I wouldn’t know what she’s like. But I suppose if you’re ready to feel like a victim just on the basis of having seen her routine, then enjoy.

'Tis? I’d say if Cho were a political leader you’d be spot on. She’s not, though. She’s a comedienne. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with her pandering to “minorities” in order to feed their “persecution complex”.

I’ve heard white comedians complain that the worst thing to be in this country is a white, middle-class male. It’s not wrong when they do it and, depending on the delivery, it’s even funny sometimes.

I dunno.

If her COMEDY ROUTINE gets this much criticism for alleged factual inaccuracy, i’d say she still has some cultural relevance.

Seriously, this thread reminds me of when Jon Stewart appeared on CNN’s Crossfire and Tucker Carlson accused him of not asking John Kerry the hard questions. As Stewart said, “It’s a COMEDY SHOW!!!”

Also, what urbanchic said. Why is pandering to insecurities apparently only wrong when certain people do it? Where’s the abuse for Jeff Foxworthy and his comedic ilk?

If the OP doesn’t like Cho’s comedy, fine. That’s a subjective artistic judgment that he has every right to make. But to call out a comedy routine for factual inaccuracy or political point-scoring seems rather pointless to me. I mean, i find P.J. O’Rourke funnny despite the fact that i don’t agree with his politics, and despite the fact that he oversimplifies issues to make his point. In fact, i think i like him because of that. Exaggeration, hyperbole, and outright making shit up are a part of comedy.

Hear, hear!

So, Margaret Cho is gay? When did that happen? The last show of hers I remember seeing (on TV), she talked about the dark years after her show got canceled and how she flipped out and was sucking lots of dick, as a way to say hello or something. That doesn’t sound “gay” to me.

AFAIK Cho identifies as bisexual. Whether she is actively bisexual or one of those “everyone is bisexual so I am bisexual” bisexuals I don’t know. She has done routines about having sex with women.

FWIW, I couldn’t be any more queer and I don’t find her to be very funny, but some of her rants are spectacular.