I was given this poser at work today, and promised to pst it tonight.
Assuming that the concentration levels of THC are identical in two equal portions of marijuana:
Would a test subject get “more stoned” by smoking the material through a straight pipe, or through a bong?
It seems to me that the only difference would be the delivery method. Would the water act as some kind of catalyst, or does it merely serve to make cool bubbly noises that you can listen to in the newly induced state of euphoria?
Depends. Some would say that they’re equal, as they’re equal amounts of THC (which itself isn’t water-soluable). Others would say a bong, as the smoke is freer from impurities, therefore you can take a larger amount of smoke further into your lungs.
I think it would depend on whether THC is water soluble and would therefore leave a little behind in the bong water. 'course this gives me two new UL’s (both I heard back in high school):
Pot screws up your sperm cuz it “settles” in your testicles.
I have heard it explained (though I can’t think of where) that a bong cools the smoke thereby making it easier to inhale more and keep it in longer. I would assume that by being able to take in more and hold it longer (cool smoke is less irritating than hot smoke) one would be able to get more of the THC out of the smoke.
Did that make any sense? Well, anyway, I’m sure there is somebody else with more knowledge on this subject who can explain this better than I can.
I found an interesting article on ‘water pipes’. It says the the water filters out more THC than anything (this being a study on tars,etc.) thus making a person have to smoke more to get the equivilent high as from an unfiltered joint.
You can read the entire article here. The part aboout the water filtering out the THC can be found under the heading “Joints and Waterpipes” a little way down the page.
It’s apparent that someone is going to have to take the bull by the horns, push up his sleeves, and perform a test. I nominate myself. Results shall be forthcoming as they become available.
WARNING – Extremely gross pothead behavior to follow, close this thread now if you are squeamish!****
(also, this reeks of UL, but knowing how desperate some stoners get, it is possible)
In college I heard the story of the guy who kept a coffee can next to his bed, and when he coughed up lung butter, he would spit it into this can. We he collected enough of the crud, he would smoke that.
AFAIK THC is not soluble in water. It is soluble in alcohol so you could drink that and get something out of it if is was used in a bong.
As to the OP. If the two bits of grass were the same and the bong and pipe were clean I would say you would probably get the same hit from both. The bong would probably be cooler though and would be easier to hold in your lungs longer and thus get more THC into your bloodstream.
you see, the difference between a pipe and a bong has to do with amount of smoke in a hit. Now, if the question means “One toke from each”, you’d get more stoned from the bong. Think about it- ten inches in circumference, chamber 24 inches long, that’s 240 cubic inches of pure ganj smoke. Whereas with the pipe, you are mixing a lot of air in to mediate the harshness of the smoke.
If the question were “suppose dude smokes entire nug from both”. There would be no difference, in my opinion.
What I’m wondering, does the bog water have to be drunk straight from the bog, or can you bottle it and take it home? Do frogs give you an extra buzz? What if you caught an extra dragonfly while you were there?
It is not, but it is frequently attached to the smoke and other assorted fun bits. Those hang around in the water and you can get stoned from it. Not that you’d want to. Besides, everyone knows the best way to get stoned the fastest is with gravity bongs. But for actuall bongs you would have to take several items into consideration.
Temperature of water. Hotter water will hold more thc, you’ll get less. However, the closer the temp is to air temp, the longer you can hold it.
Number of chambers. Some people use two or even three chambered bongs. These do allow you to hold it down longer, but is that worth the trqade off in reduced THC levels?
Size of bong and size of bowl. If you take in a large load of smoke, do you get more stoned than several small loads?
I agree here. This is probably the most important factor.
But wait. Pipes require frequent relighting, and every time smoker in question takes his mouth off the pipe and exhales, smoke is rising from the bowl. That’s wasted smoke. If you are smoking from a big enough bong, you can burn up the whole bowl in a single hit. No waste.
Also, since the whole bong hit hits you at once, you feel the high come on all at once. This disorients you and makes you feel higher.
Then there is the issue of what exactly the water filtration does to the high. I’d always thought that THC was non water soluble, so the water would not affect that aspect of the high. (I will check out the cite above.) However, there are other chemicals in marijuana which probably affect the high (eg cannabinol, a sleep inducer), and I have no idea how water effects them.
Bottom line, smoke pot, don’t worry about it. Joints and blunts are AFAIK the most wasteful of all, however, even though they are really fun.
I don’t know if bong vs. pipe will get you any higher, but there would definitely be more wasted smoke with a pipe, plus pipes clog more readily than bongs, and have to be cleaned more frequently. Of course, the resin collected makes for an awesome buzz when smoked, but sometimes, especially with a smaller pipe, the amount of resin collected isn’t large enough to be worth the effort. Bongs, however, develop a bathtub ring.Provided you change the water fairly frequently, and give it a light rinsing with warm, not hot water, to keep what for lack of a better word I shall call ash from accumulating with the resin, after a number of uses, you can wind up with a fairly large amount of wonderful, sticky resin which you can scrape out of your bong and, um, recycle.
my darkest day so far was a boring Tuesday freshman year of college, when there had been a weed outage, all the resin had been scraped and smoked, and there was no hope for more herbals.
so I poured some dirty bong water onto a plate and let it evaporate. scraped up the ensuing gunk, and smoked the shit out of it.
urggh…
See, the answer here is simple: Don’t use water in your bong. Use anti-freeze. It works great and is a cool green color…
Just kidding, don’t do that. I don’t know if it would kill you or make you grow another leg out of your ass or what, but don’t try it.
Seriously, though, don’t use very much water. Use a three-chambered bong, and just a little water in the first one and ice in the second one. The third one will fill up with thick, milky white smoke that could get Chris Farley stoned in a single hit, no shit. They may cost a little more, but when you carb that bad boy, you will know where that extra money went.
Good as gold.
